(12-05-2010, 02:23 AM)Nabil Naser Wrote: Hi Joseph
Unity and I have been discussing this subject. I am not sure of my answers. To me. infinity can't be anything but a sphere, because any other shape will have difference, and where there is difference, these is finite.
thats probably because you are approaching the issue geometrically, and explaining them symbolically.
a sphere is itself a concept, an 'entity'. a sphere basically would consist of formations of 'entities' (or finites) placed in respect to each other. (ie equidistant points/finites from a certain point of effect - or, a point affecting all other points equidistant from itself with a certain effect).
but, even the concept of sphere, has to come into being after infinity state -> since sphere concept is also something finite.
because we dont have anything finite to observe at the point of infinity, it becomes hard to approach the concept of the first 'finite' thing coming into being, and then all concepts forming up, getting created, by using shapes and geometry. (because even geometry is a concept that comes into being after infinity).
so then lets start from visual, observable cues, to build up something -
we know of the 'sea' phenomenon. ie, the infinite numbers of yingyangs that are dancing in front of our eyes in the early stages of meditation (or any situation that they dance in front of our eyes, even in dark).
we know that this tv-static like swarm first starts to look like a wavy sea, and increasingly the waves become smoother, looking really like water, and increasingly becomes smoother and transparent, and after a time one can not see it no more.
what im thinking is this :
the state of this wavy sea, is infinite intelligence. (infinity potentiated by becoming intelligent).
the state of the wavy sea becoming smoother in waves, is the state that infinite intelligence approaches infinity.
and the full state of stillness, is, probably infinity itself. totally irrelevant to us, totally impossible to interact with, yet, contains all of us still.
doesnt have any form, doesnt have any state.
im actually thinking that this state is never attainable by anything other than infinity itself -> infinite intelligence will also never be able to totally reach that state, because nomatter how smoother the vibrations of the sea gets, they will approximate, but never be, totally still.
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now lets look back to what Ra says about 'first thing in creation'.
there is infinity. (we know that). infinity became aware. (aaaaah. now that. we dont know how did this happen. how did, infinity, total stillness, become wavy). this became infinite intelligence. then, this infinite intelligence, discovered finity. finity enabled infinite intelligence to individualize from itself, and created all these we know. (from concepts to geometry, from love to free will, this that).
2 steps are missing -> how did infinity became aware, something different than its initial state.
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how did infinite intelligence discover finity, and what is finity.
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my best guess is, the finity infinite intelligence discovered, was a 'point'.
infinite intelligence, a wavy sea that is differentiated from infinity by only being potentiated (it has potential, it vibrates), and therefore aware, realized that, a point was something that was finite. (infinitely finite, actually). and with that, using the concept of point, it was able to differentiate from itself and individualize.
from this point on your math and geometry start to work -> a point, is a focus. and any focus, will affect a spherical geometry around it, proportional to the strength of the focus at that point. so, basically, a stronger sun, is a stronger focus, a smaller sun, is a focus with lower strength.
a point makes everything we know regarding physical manifestation possible - you can create a line in between points, by connecting infinite number of points, 'quants', ie 'finites', entities. (if you can call a focus an entity - but we are not using the word entity in mind/body/spirit complex sense). different positionings of these focuses, points, creates different complicated structures (of whatever particles).
all focuses use and reflect the energy that infinite intelligence has. it is a potentiated infinity after all, vibrating.
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so far this approach, though coarse and makeshift, seems to explain a few things even in its blunt state.
but still what's missing is, how did infinity become potentiated. how did infinity became aware. what is 'aware'. what is 'intelligence'.
that is of course, accepting that the finity concept infinite intelligence discovered, was the concept of a 'point', and the question of how infinite intelligence became individualized, sorted out.
(12-05-2010, 03:03 AM)Joseph326 Wrote: I see 'illusion' in this context as a narrowly focused perception of infinity that is used to view a specific quality or qualities in better detail or in an appropriate setting for ideal observation. Example: I am aware that light is made up of 7 colors but I want to see what everything looks like in purple. So I go buy some glasses that filter out every color but purple and I put them on and observe my surroundings. Now, lets say I am Creator and I want to experience polarity and choice. So I put on a suit of human flesh, a heavy veil and observe 3rd density through my human eyes and interact with it in a way that only a human with that focus of perception can.
Thus an infinite being seems to bring itself into a limited perspective in order to create situations only possible from that level.
now, the approaches you are making above, ie 'polarity', 'color', 'surroundings', even 'experience', are stuff that come WAY after the discovery of the concept of finity by infinite intelligence. because, by only discovery of that concept, all of the above has become possible. therefore, at the level we are discussing these do not count.
but, even we discard these, even at the level we are discussing, there is some kind of 'time' concept. ra says, 'infinity became aware'. yes, that may not be time as we know it - ie, revolutions of planets around a star, and changing of the situations of infinite energy in that solar system, as planets, as entities, as souls, whatever.
however, there is still a concept of prioritization, a leveling, some kind of flow : ra says, there was infinity. then, infinity became aware. so, aware infinity, the infinite intelligence, comes AFTER infinity. may be in the sense of some other kind of 'time', or, 'prioritization'. so, there is some before-after.
but more importantly, there seems to be 2 components to infinity :
the black dots and the white dots dancing in the sea that we observe.
what im suspecting is, the very finite some people are discounting, ie calling 'illusion' or whatnot, may be the very same thing that enables all these to come into being - ie, the point concept, the singularity, or, the 'single'.
if it is half of the parts of infinity, it cannot be called 'unreal' or 'illusory'.
Quote:Also, perhaps Ra went back in time from OUR perspective. I have the understanding that a 6D being can observe any time they wish to. Observing time through these human eyes of mine, I am most likely to either look backward or forward in time to a particular experience. A late 6D being, a higher self for example, may look upon every past event and every future probability that could possibly exist for its incarnate portions of self instantaneously. Instead of playing the film one frame at a time in sequence, they can pick up the roll and see all frames at once.
Travel in 6D is possible by thought. This is more of an instant transfer than actual travel, which implies a simple shift in perspective.
These ideas come from my own intuition only and may not necessarily be true for anyone else.
our perspective, their perspective, others' perspective, perspectives doesnt matter here -> time concept means, change. means, there has been some change, prior to the state that that part of infinite intelligence was in. and in the current state, the locale (whatever included - stars, planets, entities, dimensions, consciousness, energy, whatever) is now different from the earlier state.
there is a comparison of current state to the earlier state. that is time. then, as long as there is change, there has to be time. because infinite intelligence is aware, potentiated, and it has energy. it DOES change, infinitely.
even if we dont approach it that way, there is still this :
lightbringers come from NEXT octave. there is a NEXT octave for Ra. for us. even if our 'perspective' is different from Ra's, there is still a NEXT for all of us. and, for the lightbringer (which is an entity or collection of entities returned to the one central sun, and then started a new octave !!), there is a PAST octave and a CURRENT octave.
lightbringer, coming as wanderer into this octave, has come to its PAST octave. the octave before.
it doesnt matter what the perspective is. there is a state of change, for the lightbringer. from this octave, to its own octave. that means, there is a kind of time for it too.