Confederation and meat consumption

[Jade]

It seems you are willfully ignoring some very clear statements by Ra. Ra says preservatives added to meat, not preservatives, so your initial supposition that "that includes vegan food!" really came from nowhere. If Ra meant preservatives period, Ra would have worded things a bit differently. The initial statement was a caution about the "complex proteins", and when asked to clarify, that is when Ra modified the "complex proteins" with "slaughtered and preservatives". Ra also says that allergies are caused by inharmonious vibrations with the planetary sphere - it makes sense that Wanderers can absorb/feel the pain/stress of the beings that they are eating. And it's plain fact that 75% of incarnate humans are measurably lactose intolerant. This is literally an allergy to an animal protein.

Right. I'm the one "willfully ignoring". LOL. That's rich. Okay, Jade, keep twisting Ra's words to spearhead your vegan crusade.

They could have easily said, "stop eating meat, its bad mmmkay!!!!", just like they flat out told Don, "feed hungry people!". They were *recommending* she eat meat, for OPTIMAL health, and then advised she find the meat with the least preservatives (because the body doesn't like preservatives (irritant/allergen) and they rob the food of life force).

They could have easily just said fruits and vegetables and grains and left it at that. They didn't even have to mention meat.

But okay, I'm the one ignoring things. That's fine.  

Also, your notion that people from higher densities are more likely to have bad reactions to animal flesh seems like a great way to snub your nose at people who eat animal products and thrive on it, because then you can just tell yourself they just aren't a super advanced spiritual being like yourself.

In fact, I've been told by my guides that some individuals who incarnate from higher densities have to eat animal products to keep them in the physical (ground them), because their higher density spirits want to vibrate right on out of this realm. But you're going to believe whatever you would like, regardless of what is said here, so I'm not sure why I'm even posting in this thread. It is utterly pointless. I'm sorry if this comes across as yelling at you. I'm really not. But I feel like there is some twisting of Ra's words happening here to support an agenda, but I'm sure another five pages of hashing this out, isn't going to make a difference in your perspective, just like it never did in any of the other threads.

And as for Quo, they have contradicted themselves so much it makes my head spin. But that's what you get with conscious channeling. YMMV. You can find Q'uo quotes to support almost any idea.

I admitted that I might be biased with my point of view. I'm sorry if you perceived it, but I certainly wasn't attacking or judging anyone. I'm just sharing my understanding of what Ra says.

To me, it's clear that, in this order, Ra warned against eating "distorted complex proteins", then, when asked in the next session, they said with "animal protein that has been slaughtered and preservatives added to it". To me, it seems like they are actually encouraging Carla to eat beans, really! As they qualified that which was complex and distorted: "We were, in the cautionary statement about complex protein, referring to the distortions of the animal protein which has been slaughtered and preservatives added in order to maintain the acceptability to your peoples of this non-living, physical material."

Ra says it is non-living, physical material, that requires preservatives to maintain its acceptability. The preservatives don't drain the life force - the life force is already gone. That being is dead long before you eat it. Grains/vegetables definitely have their life force drained with preservatives/pesticides/chemical treatments. I have organic beans that are several years old in my cupboard that will sprout into a live plant overnight if I soak them in water.

Almost immediately prior to this, Ra had stated, as a brunt up against the free will of Carla:
"We offer the following, not to infringe upon your free will... We may ask the support group to monitor the instrument as always so that in the case of the desire for the more complex proteins that which is the least distorted might be offered to the bodily complex which is indeed at this time potentially capable of greatly increased distortion."

So they are saying, if Carla desires, not needs, to eat meat, then try to offer her that which is the least distorted, otherwise she may get really sick. In the next session, Ra clearly clarifies the protein distortions they were talking about.

Sorry if I'm repeating myself, I just feel like maybe there's a misunderstanding somewhere that could be clarified.

In fact, I've been told by my guides that some individuals who incarnate from higher densities have to eat animal products to keep them in the physical (ground them), because their higher density spirits want to vibrate right on out of this realm.

That makes sense, and I understand your point. While we have made ritual sacrifice (slaughterhouses) the most efficient means of grounding oneself and gaining energy, I do not think it is necessary any longer, and needs to be released before we can move into 4th density - and I sort of operate under the assumption that we are all here on Bring4th(density).org because we desire to offer the spiritual catalyst to help accelerate this process to alleviate the pain and suffering on this planet. I think most of our species knows that just going outside and spending time in nature can ground oneself, and taking in the creative and living life force that is all around us. This is why I made the point to include the quote about the ultimate power over others being subjugation unto death - as long as people realize that this is what they are doing (getting spiritual power from the death of others). I'm not judging or saying I'm a more spiritual being or anything like that, I don't believe that at all. I just want people to be aware enough to make their own choices in the full light of these choices and their consequences. The only choice is in the moment, and as of this moment, I am making plenty of choices that I wish were different, so I'm obviously a hypocrite. Personally, I just wish I had received the catalyst that made me stop eating animals much sooner than I did, because I just love them so much and what we do to them is so heinous.

Therefore many pets end up being early third density harvest-able during their lifetimes. This gives us the feeling that it is highly inappropriate to view these animals as a food source, as they now have an individuated spirit. But not all animals are at this stage, especially wild animals who have an Oversoul to which they return to upon death.

The thing about this is that all of the animals we eat have been domesticated for thousands and thousands of years as well, alongside humans, picking the same types of traits (gentleness, sociability, warmth, intelligence) as we have with cats and dogs. They are invested in by their human caretakers every single day. Often, they can be very loved and cared for.