12-01-2017, 01:03 PM
(This post was last modified: 12-01-2017, 02:03 PM by rva_jeremy.)
Yeah, I re-listened to the podcast and I agree that your mention of Ra's "mistakes" gets really close to the point I was making; it almost certainly inspired it. I actually gave some thought to mentioning how Ra's example demonstrates why direct, manifest service is best performed by those experiencing the veil's constraints.
You extended this thought way beyond that with which I was satisfied, though! I find it fascinating because it puts a fine point on that old teleological mystery of mine: what does the Confederation mean by efficiency? What is it they are trying to maximize? Are Ra's naive distortions desirable because of the experience they yield the Creator, or are they undesirable because they retard our progress towards polarizing? Are our distortions the things that make our service irreplaceable and unique, or are our distortions the things that keep us from proceeding forward in evolution?
You're suggesting an answer, I detect: that perhaps service, balancing, and evolving are simply three sides of a single, time-dilated process. We put this pejorative connotation upon the condition of distortion, but perhaps that limits our appreciation of the way that it allows manifest service and drives evolution. But then one still wonders why those of Ra do not better appreciate the naive distortion they introduce. To what ideal are they comparing their service?
You bring an interesting point up about what distinguishes those fourth density complexes that engage in polarized conflict. I imagine that conflict is much more directly metaphysical, requiring less of third density's overwhelming concreteness as a vehicle for the underlying dynamics. Perhaps this is an example of the refining character of work done in fourth density: by wielding polarity without veil, one calls upon great power without need of the artifice inherent in third density to mobilize it.
The downside is that only incremental advancement in polarity is possible when a complete view of the entire situation affords only one option for advancement: "just keep doing the same thing harder". After all, in the case of fourth density thought warfare, it seems like those of Ra describe a highly symmetrical situation where neither side ever really gains much advantage over the other. This would be a nearly unbearable situation in third density, but in fourth density it makes it possible to refine what one has already developed. In the shadows of incarnate life, one can see oneself and one's capabilities in a new, if dim, light, and "do something different" that changes the game. There's also a spectrum of folks at different levels of wakefulness, and this mixes it up as well and creates differentials that enable service vectors, whereas in fourth density nobody is "more woke" than another.
So to return to my theory: distortion is a means of service even without the veil. However, is the veil a chief mechanism for discovering distortions that we then work with? If so, that might explain how higher density wanderers are able to serve so effectively in third density: they learn about new, novel distortions that will yield future opportunities for service and refinement, while focusing on the distortions they have refined in higher densities to connect with, teach/learn, and serve others. Does polarization then occur primarily as a function of distortion, either by giving the positive wanderer something to balance, or by giving the negative wanderer something to intensify and further pervert?
If so, I get the feeling that it is here in third density where the pebble pierces the water's surface, sending out the waves of distortion that we then spend an eternity using. This imagery dovetails nicely with my theory of the material illusion as a kind of inflection point of Creation. As the "most separate" part of the Creation, the material illusion constitutes a floor for the Creator beyond which it cannot achieve further separation, and therefore it's importance is that it provides a foundation for an upward trajectory back towards the Creator.
All of the above highly, highly speculative.
You extended this thought way beyond that with which I was satisfied, though! I find it fascinating because it puts a fine point on that old teleological mystery of mine: what does the Confederation mean by efficiency? What is it they are trying to maximize? Are Ra's naive distortions desirable because of the experience they yield the Creator, or are they undesirable because they retard our progress towards polarizing? Are our distortions the things that make our service irreplaceable and unique, or are our distortions the things that keep us from proceeding forward in evolution?
You're suggesting an answer, I detect: that perhaps service, balancing, and evolving are simply three sides of a single, time-dilated process. We put this pejorative connotation upon the condition of distortion, but perhaps that limits our appreciation of the way that it allows manifest service and drives evolution. But then one still wonders why those of Ra do not better appreciate the naive distortion they introduce. To what ideal are they comparing their service?
You bring an interesting point up about what distinguishes those fourth density complexes that engage in polarized conflict. I imagine that conflict is much more directly metaphysical, requiring less of third density's overwhelming concreteness as a vehicle for the underlying dynamics. Perhaps this is an example of the refining character of work done in fourth density: by wielding polarity without veil, one calls upon great power without need of the artifice inherent in third density to mobilize it.
The downside is that only incremental advancement in polarity is possible when a complete view of the entire situation affords only one option for advancement: "just keep doing the same thing harder". After all, in the case of fourth density thought warfare, it seems like those of Ra describe a highly symmetrical situation where neither side ever really gains much advantage over the other. This would be a nearly unbearable situation in third density, but in fourth density it makes it possible to refine what one has already developed. In the shadows of incarnate life, one can see oneself and one's capabilities in a new, if dim, light, and "do something different" that changes the game. There's also a spectrum of folks at different levels of wakefulness, and this mixes it up as well and creates differentials that enable service vectors, whereas in fourth density nobody is "more woke" than another.
So to return to my theory: distortion is a means of service even without the veil. However, is the veil a chief mechanism for discovering distortions that we then work with? If so, that might explain how higher density wanderers are able to serve so effectively in third density: they learn about new, novel distortions that will yield future opportunities for service and refinement, while focusing on the distortions they have refined in higher densities to connect with, teach/learn, and serve others. Does polarization then occur primarily as a function of distortion, either by giving the positive wanderer something to balance, or by giving the negative wanderer something to intensify and further pervert?
If so, I get the feeling that it is here in third density where the pebble pierces the water's surface, sending out the waves of distortion that we then spend an eternity using. This imagery dovetails nicely with my theory of the material illusion as a kind of inflection point of Creation. As the "most separate" part of the Creation, the material illusion constitutes a floor for the Creator beyond which it cannot achieve further separation, and therefore it's importance is that it provides a foundation for an upward trajectory back towards the Creator.
All of the above highly, highly speculative.
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