(11-27-2010, 02:04 PM)seejay21 Wrote: Why should I be concerned about some seemingly sts web ring of websites that help pirate copyrighted work of others? Seems to me their karma is being rendered. Maybe i'd be alarmed if they weren't up to their necks in theft. Don't confuse justice with some made up illuminati conspiracy.
let me see. lets do this :
let me amass big capital by selling you various stuff.
then, let me start pressurizing all the potential creators of that kind of thing, into contracting me, through my ownership of big media and distribution network, effectively ending in total domination of the market.
then let me even go a bit further - since i have big clout in this, allow me to sign on aspiring bands on lease contracts, giving them a modest loan money for start and then requiring them to sign off everything to me, ending up with me giving them 1 to 3 cents over a $20 cd/dvd sold. and let me force them to going to concerts to earn any money.
but at the same time, allow me to continually build up on that initial loan and interest i gave to that band at the start, so that, even if the band is moderately successful, it will still OWE me money. to the extent that only a few VERY successful ones, names on the level of madonna, clapton, negotiate their way out of this and actually make real money over what they sell. (that is if they are smart enough to do that)
so, let me have a total domination of creative arts scene, in this way. so that i will dictate all prices to the market, and, the equivalent of a cd/dvd will still sell for roughly the price level at which the hard to produce and distribute early records were sold at the turn of the century.
then, say, a new tech like cd, or internet comes up.
at this point allow me to start blabbering, flapping my arms and yelling about doing propaganda on how that new medium will 'kill music'. let me deceive a lot of fools in the society through my grasp on mass media and marketing channels.
so that, i can still sell something from $20, despite i am able to reproduce and sell it to BILLIONS, from a few cents cost apiece - the initial production cost of the album included. (generally a few million tops).
then, allow me to merge this with my money, and lobby the government for for preventing anything that will upset my own business model, and my power to dictate prices to the market.
and, if, as a result of what im doing above, some upstarts like these 'pirates' come up, or, people copy casette tapes to each other at home, or, copy cds at home, let me declare them criminals, and have my henchmen in the government send NATIONAL SECURITY related agencies after them, instead of chasing terrorists in middle east ....
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this is the summary of the situation here.
ah, by the way, the thing i told about how the big labels are doing 'loan contracts' with the aspiring bands, is a recent and hard reality. if you are a musician or you have any friends who are aspiring to be musicians, bend their ear on that one. they should NEVER do such a contract. ever. the internet is filled with horror stories on that issue.
(11-27-2010, 05:06 PM)seejay21 Wrote: I suppose the copyright matters to the copyright holder. If I were to publish a free copy of "the wanderers handbook" in pdf form and posted a link to it on this forum, how long do you think my post with the link would last? If I posted the link on other websites, how long would it take for me to get a letter from Carla's lawyer? When the fbi gets involved (because I told the lawyer to go pound sand) would you say I'm being censored and my rights have been violated when they (fbi) take over my website?
the above acts that would be taken against you all would be legal in this world's societal biases, laws and rules.
the above acts that would be taken against you would all be wrong, in regard to the positive path of spiritual evolution that this octave employs in between 3th and early 6th densities.
Quote:I have little sympathy for folks that steal from others without prejiduce under the guise of vigalantism.
yes. instead, we should all accept the existing social order and its rules. definitely never disobey, because, it would be wrong.
that being said, there would be no american or french revolution and we would still be living under feudalism, with the above logic. because, by then, all lands legally belonged to feudal lords, not only legally actually but also traditionally and morally.
in addition to the above,
child pornography, 'protecting the children' were initial excuses to censor and control internet. that, failed a few years ago. people didnt care much.
currently, it is copyright/intellectual property. they are pushing from that respect to pass laws that would effectually put power of censorship at the hands of private isps, leave aside governments.
naturally, the actual target is, preventing any idea undesirable from propagating around the internet. there are some companies which are already using copyright excuses to issue dmca takedowns against sites that propagate anything that is harmful to their private interests. that may include activism, whistleblowing, horror stories that may expose shady practices - anything.
if, these people have their way, there will be no end to those 'rightful' prosecutions.
http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/11/27/1910232
it wasnt a hoax.
Quote:Many readers have sent in an update to yesterday's story about the Department of Homeland Security's seizure of torrent-finder.com, a domain they believe to be involved in online piracy. As it turns out, this was just one of dozens of websites that were targeted by Immigration and Customs Enforcement. "In announcing that operation, John T. Morton, the assistant secretary of ICE, and representatives of the Motion Picture Association of America called it a long-term effort against online piracy, and said that suspected criminals would be pursued anywhere in the world. 'American business is under assault from counterfeiters and pirates every day, seven days a week,' Mr. Morton said. 'Criminals are stealing American ideas and products and distributing them over the Internet.'" The TorrentFreak article we discussed yesterday has been updated with a list of the blocked sites.
department of homeland security, is actually prosecuting torrent sites ... 'homeland security'.