In regards to eating meat

[Monica]

From Qu'O, Oct. 16 2010:
"One valid choice that many of those who have awakened have made is not to eat meat and to find ways to furnish the body with the protein that meat offers by eating other substances, such as legumes, which contain protein. [1]

Thank you for sharing this quote. It may be helpful for some. It is one of the very few Q'uo quotes that doesn't resonate with me.

It is not the way of Q'uo to tell us what to do, but to offer choices. And Q'uo always issues a disclaimer, for us to accept that which resonates.

I am sure you all know that Hitler was a vegetarian… not eating meat does not automatically make you a better person.

That's true. And we all know plenty of people, including most of the people on this forum, who are beautiful, loving people.

It is not what goes into your mouth that counts but what comes out of it… some Jesus quote.

Personally, I think it's both. We don't know if Jesus actually said that, since some other person wrote those words. Here are some other words attributed to Jesus, which very clearly indicate that it does indeed count, as to what goes into our mouths and what actions we take.

Essene Gosel Of Peace

This beautiful 'gospel' fills the gap of Jesus' teachings on diet and lifestyle. Whether actually written by Jesus or not, it's well worth reading and considering, in my opinion.

I have a colleague here who is a die-hard vegetarian… you should see her. She is pale as a sheet, spotty complexion, prone to hysterics and always goes on about how she is so conscious of everything she eats and eats so healthy blablabla… not to mention she suffers from extreme anemia. Doctor found out her iron levels are non-existent. I sometimes think “it would not do her harm to eat meat occasionally”… meat can also help to ground a person (she is hysterical, as I already mentioned) But she will jump into your face if you talk about eating meat.
I have a problem with the fanatism that shows in so many vegetarians / vegans… that does not seem truly spiritual to me. Spirituality and fanatism is incompatible in my view.

I know an animal-eater who is a bigot. He is always in everyone's faces about his racism and religious and political views, and has complete disdain for anyone who disagrees with him. He is overweight, and suffers from high blood pressure, high cholesterol, and diabetes. His wife, also an animal-eater, just got diagnosed with cancer. She too is a bigot. Actually, I know a lot of people like that!

We can always find examples of sick, unbalanced people on both sides of the debate.

But overall, in general, vegetarians are healthier. That cannot be denied. It is statistical fact. Vegetarians, as a group, have less cancer, diabetes, heart disease, diabetes, stroke, obesity, etc. All the biggies. That is a statistical fact and speaks volumes about the end result, despite the fact that the group includes those who eat junk food, smoke, etc. Even with those factors taken into consideration, vegetarians are still healthier, and vegans healthier still, as a group, statistically compared to those who also do those things but eat animals.

Are some anemic? Sure. Being a vegetarian just means the person doesn't eat animals. It doesn't necessarily mean they eat enough leafy green vegetables to meet their iron needs, even though it's easy to do that and avoid anemia. As with any diet, common sense must be applied. I've met a few vegetarians who smoke, drink sodas and eat candy bars!

Hey wait, I've met a few animal-eaters who smoke, drink sodas and eat candy bars!

I apologize if I sound a bit facetious here. I can see how your co-worker might seem self-righteous, but is it possible that what you are interpreting as self-righteousness is actually just passion for a cause she sincerely believes in? Is it self-righteous when people want to protect the environment, feed the homeless, fight oppression, etc.?

Perhaps, it might be helpful to try to understand why this cause is so important to her.

You may be correct that she is missing some nutrients, which might also account for some of her emotional issues. Diet affects us emotionally, no doubt about that. But, respectfully, I believe it is erroneous to assume that her eating animal flesh would solve her problems. There are plenty of ways to address anemia without eating animals.

There was a time during my 27 years of being vegetarian that I suffered from health problems. In my desperation, I allowed myself to be convinced that eating animals might solve my problem. So I did, for a whole year. It was very difficult for me. The only way I could eat it was by smothering it in hot salsa and pretending it was tofu!

But, it didn't even work! It didn't help me at all. So I returned to my vegetarian diet, and stayed sick a few more years, until finally I found what was causing my illness, and was healed. It had nothing to do with the lack of animal flesh in my diet, as many well-intentioned friends and doctors had told me.

Whenever we meet a vegetarian who suffers from health challenges, it's easy to assume the lack of animal flesh is the cause. But I invite everyone to consider: Think of how many people you know who have cancer, heart disease, obesity, diabetes, etc. Do you automatically assume that it's because they eat animals?

Not likely. Eating animals is accepted, so it's assumed that they are sick because they don't exercise, eat too much junk, etc.

Which are all contributing factors, of course. And yet, eating animals has been proven to also be a contributing factor. It is possible to eat lean meats instead of fatty, fried foods and reduce the risk factor, but even lean meat has cholesterol and other elusive elements that have been shown to increase the risk of cancer.

So, although it's certainly not the only factor, it is actually more accurate to say that when people who suffer from common diseases, it's at least partially because of eating animals, than to say that when a vegetarian sick, it's because they don't eat animals.

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Since I was here last I have become vegan. It has cleaned up my mind so much that I am dumping all possessions and leaving the country, heading to where the food is. I have found that a huge amount of like minded folk have already done just that, and more are in the motion to go as I am.

My comprehension of the saying "cleanliness is next to godliness" would be......clean diet builds a clean body- clean body builds a clean mind- clean mind builds a clean spirit/soul.

A clean diet seems to be a starting point for many that are spiritual. Gabriel Cousens has mentioned that spirituality seems to be an after effect of a clean diet. That cleaning the body automatically created a change in their mind/awareness.

Yes, there is quite a huge movement! And I agree that cleansing the body of animal vibrations can affect the consciousness. That was my experience anyway. Pickle, please tell us more about this movement, your experience, and let us know how it works out for you!