(04-17-2009, 08:29 PM)Quantum Wrote: Most interesting. I will offer a contradiction in thought and then answer my own question for your validation:That is the way I interpret it. Although, due to the numerous developmental lines, one is not really "at" a vMeme level all the time, so much as having a certain "center of gravity" that may be identified with that level's attributes.
a) I may then surmise that the Magician at the Yellow level is the Magician I assumed to be the culmnation touch stone, i.e., the man at/in completion.
(04-17-2009, 08:29 PM)Quantum Wrote: b) What I have been shown by your explanation is most intriguing and one quite frankly I had never taken into account, even as elementary as it now seems. The Magician is not more critical, more important, or sit at the top of a hierarchy of archetypes, if you will, any more than any other archetype to one's development. An archetype is simply and merely a representation.The term "archetype", as used in the Ra material, seems to be the same as that implied by Jung.
(04-17-2009, 08:29 PM)Quantum Wrote: It is neither factual, nor embodied, nor existent. As such:Also depends what is meant by "higher". Obviously the positions themselves (as we see in the Tarot) are not arbitrary, which is intriguing in itself.
-- One position is no higher than is another
-- All positions are necessary to the whole
(04-17-2009, 08:29 PM)Quantum Wrote: Removing the hierarchy from my own equation, in the prior assumption as though one archetype were more developed, higher, or more evolved, is where what is elementary should have been so all along. All representative color levels of one's developmental consciousness, as much as a societies developmental consciousness, as much as the worlds, has these archetypes operating at the level of the development cycle, so to speak. This being so, the primitive is as much the Magician as is the uberman (developed man), even if the uberman is more integrated into what I felt is more the Magician as a definition.This is the way I tend to see it as well. From Ra: "The Matrix of the Mind is that from which all comes. It is unmoving yet is the activator in potentiation of all mind activity." And "Mind activity" does evolve along with an individual.
In this context the Magician has more than one definition, this depending upon the context this word (magician) is utilized in. Both assumptions are thus true.
(04-17-2009, 11:49 PM)Quantum Wrote: Expanding upon this ending thought, might one further surmise under this premise that the archetypes extend themselves beyond the individualized portion of consciousness (being an entity), but also then to a tribe, a society, a culture, a country, and even the world itself?Yes, the archetypes are provided by the Logos hierarchy. The local Logos for our solar system is the source that has a major influence on what we've identified in the tarot cards. The Logos "Operates" from the lowest level (density) to highest. For example, consider at 1st density space = body and time = mind.
(04-17-2009, 11:49 PM)Quantum Wrote: I am not sure this has ever been considered or addressed in any of the literature I've come across, given that archetypes are primarily referenced in terms of the individual, but it seems it would stand to reason.They are referenced in terms of the individual, because they become most obvious as discernable patterns when considered with respect to aspects of the human condition (i.e. tarot). We are familiar with ourselves and can reflect on our subjective experience more readily and more meaningfully than with the more abstract behavior of a photon, for example.
Remember, archetypes are blueprints for the evolution of the entire creation. So in a sense, when we develop "laws of physics", we are describing some archetypal qualities. I guess that explanation would be more along the lines of what the panpsychists are intuiting.