(03-05-2017, 06:03 PM)Glow Wrote: It's funny but no male here countering his argument has kind of ruined the place to a degree. Like why ask anything if men the majority here see us that way "less good, less than, manipulating, lazy" ... If we are so worthless why would they answer.
All it would have taken would be one man to say they don't agree and the situation would have been difused emensly. It would have felt we had an ally and weren't being vilified to a silent complacent audience that implies agreement.
I would argue that this is an interpretation, not a fact. It could also be suggested that by not replying, it shows that the men here on this forum do not agree with the views you are referring to, as they are not validating them. I would also argue that the men on this forum don't see the women on this forum in the way described. You just have to look at the interactions on this forum to find good evidence for that.
I strongly disagree with the idea that silence implies agreement. I don't think it is that simple, which actually touches on one of the reasons why I find feminism, or many of these social movements, to be so frustrating a lot of the time. The impression and feeling I get is that if you don't agree or take issue with the interpretations of society and its dynamics taught be these movements, then all of a sudden you are the bad guy, you are the oppressor and you are a part of the problem. You literally perpetuate the suffering and subjugation of others and should shut your mouth, educate yourself and then come back when you are worth something. I don't think that is fair. I think that is why so many people just dismiss these things.
I don't think people are saying that bad things don't happen. Just that the beliefs about society at large that are extrapolated from them aren't fact and are open for debate. It is a tough pill to swallow when you are told that just because you don't believe that we live in a patriarchy that you perpetuate oppression, yet, from what I have seen, this is common practice. I think that captures some of my views on this topic quite well.