10-25-2016, 12:39 PM
If I may present a slightly different way of looking at SMC's concerns, which I think derive from love of B4 and respect for the space here:
1. One must use discernment in anything one hears/reads/sees. I have a friend who channels. Most people want to "prove" whether or not he is "really channeling." What does it matter? If the information is useful, use it. The only problem that complicates this is when people listen blindly, or follow without discernment and this is true for everything we do.
2. Many, many people have aliases. On this forum alone people have changed their names and no one here knew it—who knows why they did it—and some members felt betrayed. There may be many reasons why an individual does this and until we walk in their shoes, we don't know. It's really about them and their situation, not about us being betrayed. We always have choices.
Here is one fictional scenario to widen the view: the powers-that-be don't want empowering information to be accessible, and threaten those who have certain ideas, so some people stay hidden in whatever ways. I'm not saying at all that that is what Hohongwitutiwa is doing, it's just a way of getting out of the box of wanting to prove or disprove.
3. There are many threads here which discuss the bible. I for one think the bible is a primarily a bunch of nonsense, but still, I have read it, and I don't discount that there are snippets of useful or coincidental parts to put into the whole of my understanding of the nature of existence.
4. Carla channeled the Ra Material. From my point of view, if I wanted to "prove or disprove," I could ask how someone so involved in the bible could channel such "high" material. I could also question how someone who supported the enslavement of animals (eating fast-food burgers) could possibly have an open enough heart to not taint the material. But I don't think that way. It must be part of discernment to be aware that humans have paradigms and lenses, and the bottom line is whether or not I resonate with the material—whether the material can be useful to me at this point in my journey.
5. A lot of members here write like they "know" things. We choose to listen, agree, disagree, or whatever our own minds prompt us to do. Some members have done their own channeling themselves here. So how does one prove or disprove? Many feel Bashar is a fraud. It doesn't matter to me whether he is or not. The only thing I look at is whether the information is useful to me. So it's really all inside of me, and not external.
Everyone here is a being who, throughout life's journey, has gathered experience, information, feelings and so on. If Hohongwitutiwa has gathered information from the Hopi, how is that different from information I have gathered? If the Hopi want to keep their lore secret, that's fine. Common sense tells me that not all Hopi would want that—just as in any group where opinions vary. I am merely speculating as how could I know of others' motivations, hidden desires, missions, and so on? If it is in Hohongwitutiwa's conscience to share the knowledge he has gathered, or whatever his motivations may be, that is with him. It is with us to discern.
The above statements are just my opinions. I don't mean to stop anyone's investigating—free will is alive and well at B4.
I just offer some out-of-the-box thinking.
1. One must use discernment in anything one hears/reads/sees. I have a friend who channels. Most people want to "prove" whether or not he is "really channeling." What does it matter? If the information is useful, use it. The only problem that complicates this is when people listen blindly, or follow without discernment and this is true for everything we do.
2. Many, many people have aliases. On this forum alone people have changed their names and no one here knew it—who knows why they did it—and some members felt betrayed. There may be many reasons why an individual does this and until we walk in their shoes, we don't know. It's really about them and their situation, not about us being betrayed. We always have choices.
Here is one fictional scenario to widen the view: the powers-that-be don't want empowering information to be accessible, and threaten those who have certain ideas, so some people stay hidden in whatever ways. I'm not saying at all that that is what Hohongwitutiwa is doing, it's just a way of getting out of the box of wanting to prove or disprove.
3. There are many threads here which discuss the bible. I for one think the bible is a primarily a bunch of nonsense, but still, I have read it, and I don't discount that there are snippets of useful or coincidental parts to put into the whole of my understanding of the nature of existence.
4. Carla channeled the Ra Material. From my point of view, if I wanted to "prove or disprove," I could ask how someone so involved in the bible could channel such "high" material. I could also question how someone who supported the enslavement of animals (eating fast-food burgers) could possibly have an open enough heart to not taint the material. But I don't think that way. It must be part of discernment to be aware that humans have paradigms and lenses, and the bottom line is whether or not I resonate with the material—whether the material can be useful to me at this point in my journey.
5. A lot of members here write like they "know" things. We choose to listen, agree, disagree, or whatever our own minds prompt us to do. Some members have done their own channeling themselves here. So how does one prove or disprove? Many feel Bashar is a fraud. It doesn't matter to me whether he is or not. The only thing I look at is whether the information is useful to me. So it's really all inside of me, and not external.
Everyone here is a being who, throughout life's journey, has gathered experience, information, feelings and so on. If Hohongwitutiwa has gathered information from the Hopi, how is that different from information I have gathered? If the Hopi want to keep their lore secret, that's fine. Common sense tells me that not all Hopi would want that—just as in any group where opinions vary. I am merely speculating as how could I know of others' motivations, hidden desires, missions, and so on? If it is in Hohongwitutiwa's conscience to share the knowledge he has gathered, or whatever his motivations may be, that is with him. It is with us to discern.
The above statements are just my opinions. I don't mean to stop anyone's investigating—free will is alive and well at B4.
I just offer some out-of-the-box thinking.
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