04-11-2009, 01:38 PM
(04-10-2009, 11:34 AM)zenmaster Wrote: Nonetheless, because the archetypes are both a resource for development (will) and dictate the process of evolution itself (faith), when considering the relationship between archetype and evolutionary stage, a pattern may be revealed which can suggest a developmental or operational role of one or more of them.
You have unequivocally captured my interest in your last several postings with respect to Ken Wilber vis-a-vis his definitions and descriptors to spiral dynamics, pre-trans fallacies, and holons as related to fractals zenmaster.
1. Please do take a moment, if I may invite you, to elucidate more to your last paragraph above.
Quantum Wrote:Thank you for a 2nd time (i.e. zenmaster). It seems very congruent indeed, and almost a heeding of sorts as a means of avoiding the trappings and pitfalls of what I have come to name "Metaphizzler Consciousness" which may do no more harm than simple daydreaming without substance of a better world, to an outright arrested spiritual development.
zenmaster Wrote:Each developmental level may have both healthy (supportive) and pathological (destructive) manifestations. For example, "Metaphizzler Consciousness" and shortcut thinking are pathological conditions associated with the "Green vMeme" level of the Spiral Dynamics model. It's as if one meets a part of themselves there, for the first time, and gets "stuck" in a kind of trap. So there is slowed progress towards that jump to "2nd tier" thinking or feeling. As Ra said: "In order for the Transformation of Mind to occur, one principle governing the use of the deep mind must be abandoned."
Have you considered this:
subdensity - SD vMeme - Logos Archetype - Mind - Body - Sprit
1 - Beige - Matrix - Magician - Justice - Devil
2 - Purple - Potentiator - Priestess - Hermit - Tower
3 - Red - Catalyst - Empress - Wheel - Star
4 - Blue - Experience - Emporor - Strength - Moon
5 - Orange - Significator - Heiorphant - Hanged Man - Sun
6 - Green - Transformation - Lovers - Death - Judgement
7 - Yellow - Great Way - Chariot - Temperance - World
2. If you would further elaborate on how one might describe the Magician at the Beige level given that the Magician may be seen as the culmination, the Rosetta Stone or Touch Stone if you will, and thus removed if not transcendent to "the level of basic survival; food, water, warmth, sex, and safety as priority. Uses habits and instincts just to survive. Distinct self is barely awakened or sustained. Forms into survival bands to perpetuate life."
Perhaps I am seeing my descriptor of the Magician in a too regimented or structured form as intended by yours?
Q