(10-16-2010, 12:24 AM)Crimson Wrote: You don't know if this was done by the original channelers (which I deeply respect) you only assume. Anyway, I find your answer very disrespectful since you are accusing me of disrespect apparently just for the fun of it and you are introducing a study guide which I cannot find sponsored by Carla and Jim (certainly not by Don Elkins --his name also appears on the title of the page). By the way I deeply respect Don Elkins and I feel much love for him --the PhD comment was directed to the compilation author as a general comment to address the fallacy "appeal to authority". I want to thank everybody who has tried is trying to impulse the LOO.
Love and light my friend.
so he was saying that we should use some other people's perspectives in learning the information we have been given via a channeling ?
and, the people who compiled that kind of guide happen to be bob geldof and david willcock ?
and also claiming to have been made by the channelers ?
leaving the fact that channelers, a working group, is a working group, and, their perspectives and insight is as valid and strong as any other person. since they are also entities incarnated behind a veil, even ... that should go without saying.
it seems like what lies underneath was not an appeal to authority, but a 'submit to authority', that would foster and coerce a certain perspective on others. in accordance with a certain perspective/look, that is being claimed to have come from the original source, but, somehow, 'explained and put forth' by certain people, including bob geldof and david willcock.
in my book, that has no difference than a religious approach to thought.
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i wouldnt have noticed that if you havent expressed it tho. thanks.
(10-16-2010, 08:33 AM)Ali Quadir Wrote: Unity, I never said finites do not exist... Try to understand what I am saying here. I called them as real as tables and chairs... That doesn't mean they're not illusions. It means they only exist from a perspective. Change your perspective and change those things. The thing that doesn't change when you change perspective is the thing more real than reality itself. IAM..
well, a few discussions ago you were saying they dont exist. thats progress methinks.
and again this illusion thing ... there is no such 'non' thing called 'illusion'. illusion itself, is a concept that EXISTS within infinity.
and, there is no other 'reality' of finites existing other than this. this, what we see here, and what you dub as 'illusion' IS the real concept of finites existing. this is what finites are, at this moment, this is what existing is, at this moment. there is no illusion.
the fact that, when time passes and things change, what one will be seeing will be a different arrangement of energies and manifestations, does not change the fact that, there HAD existed a different arrangement and flow of energies, in the form of finites, before. it WAS real, and also is real, when you go back in time, still.
and 'perspective' thing.
if you look at the existence from the perspective of infinite, everything will be still.
however, in that stillness, infinite variations, existences, manifestations, intelligences, and things and concepts we dont know yet, exist.
this is what im saying.
if you go to octave density, and see the coalescing of entire spiritual mass in this octave in a central sun, and see it as a single ball of 'light', uniform, seeming as 'single' and 'one', that will not change the fact that, ALL the finites you have perceived before, STILL do exist, but, they are harmonized and existing within that ball of light you are perceiving.
something being harmonized nearing to infinity does not mean that the differentiations, different characteristics and elements within it, does not exist.
they still do exist. and, in the next octave, they will again spread out, and create differentiations and refractions, according to their nature.
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seeing, ovserbing a statue, going around from its nose to its ass, walking a towards his legs, looking at it, then walking away a few miles, then seeing it to be small, then going to a hilltop outside the city and seeing the city from afar and not perceiving the statue from that distance, and saying 'oh hey - it was a city all along, everything was that city', does NOT mean that the statue there, although now meshed with the city you see in front of you from that distance, now doesnt exist.