10-15-2010, 05:23 PM
Quantum,
i have expressed my feelings regarding discussing with you. repeatedly restating or rephrasing the same questions or accusations of not 'sticking by the book' will not 'encourage' me to discuss with you again. i have no qualms in disagreeing with Ra, don, Carla, jim, bob, you, shaughnessy or another person if i disagree with, and whenever i do, i state that i disagree, openly and directly, and provide reasoning. anywhere like that, i have done as such. if something is a direct conclusion of another person, entity, channeling, i have also stated as such and given references. you are rephrasing and reiterating same things over and over again and expecting answers again. as i told you, i wont discuss with you.
what you call 'distortion' is the discovery of the multipleness and characteristics that underlie in what you call the 'creator' and, in a greater extent, its higher principle, the infinity.
'creator will know its self', means this. if there is nothing to be known, you cant know nothing. if there are things to be known, that means there are elements in something, that can be identified and perceived.
'eternal now' moment is reality as you approach infinity, and it is unreal as you go down the lower levels. for us, the time concept exists more, for infinity, it both exists and it is both none.
if 'you were all that there is' there would ne NO need to discover anything else than you, ali qadir. yet, here we are, we are discovering ourselves too, different fractions, characteristics, elements that exist in infinity.
dubbing it 'illusory' doesnt change the fact that all these refractions, differentiations, characteristics, focuses exist, within the 'one creator' you speak about, and consequentially, the infinity it is a part of.
i think it cant be clearer than that.
all what the philosophy you are employing doing is, dubbing some reality, existence, differentiation, focus, - whatever you call - that DOES exist within infinity, and then call it 'illusory', because, everything is united within infinity.
'ooooh it was unreal' -> no, it was real, and it is still real, at point infinity too. just, all the different existences and refractions in between infinity are infinitely harmonized at point infinity, and, therefore, the outside limited perceiver, and the inside fragment, is unable to perceive the differentiations that underlie within infinity, and see it as 'one'.
same goes for the 'creator' of this octave, the central sun, same goes for infinite intelligence. to you, an outside observer or a limited observer, infinite intelligence would seem 'one', uniform and single. yet, all what you see around you, in this octave, are what exists within it. its characteristics, refractions, different focuses.
its a matter of perception.
Not only did Ra borrow here the alpha and omega. An ancient metaphor for God. Thus linking it to our concepts. He qualifies that there is only the present moment. While you're cutting things up into an "first", "next", "and then" story.. This is useful in discerning different qualities of the thing you're cutting up. But it should not be mistaken for the whole once it's cut up. This reality is not cut up, it's a unity.
The alpha and omega, Ouroboros, the being that causes himself. Also the sign of infinity in our symbology. Ra isn't telling anything new here. He's just being exceptionally lucid about it.
We are infinity, the veil of distortions exist because we want to experience an alternative to "the complete unity of thought which binds all things". But it is not a requirement, it is not the deeper reality. All these alternatives exist within the eternal moment where the complete unity of thought exists. Our limited awareness does not mean we are not Gods.
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ra used many earthly concepts to communicate a lot of things. the communication channels and vocabulary used does not make the earthly concepts take place of purer concepts.
alpha, omega, beginning and the end, the circle is, because each octave ends, and another octave begins, from focuses. yet, there is definitely difference, because, the central logos does not always repeat the same octave over and over and over. there is a previous, and a next one. each octave is built on the experience harvest of the earlier.
that means, the one central sun, the logos, the 'creator' as one dub it, actually changes.
we have discussed this, and i think we are reiterating it again.
you are infinite in principle. since there is infinity, and you are a part of that infinity, you, also have to be infinite, inwards, and forward. as such, you will forever exist as a part of infinity, and keep changing the way your characteristic is, and, infinite realities within you will keep existing, and changing, as such. and with you, infinite other characteristics in infinite other levels will keep changing, and their inner planes will be keeping infinite realities and infinite planes themselves, changing.
even if you unite with infinite intelligence through the central logos of this octave, at the end of this octave, these will remain there. and, when another experiential nexus begins, they will manifest again, in the manner they have changed to, from the last octave.
that is infinity of the finite, and the nature of infinity that is comprised of infinite finites.
i have expressed my feelings regarding discussing with you. repeatedly restating or rephrasing the same questions or accusations of not 'sticking by the book' will not 'encourage' me to discuss with you again. i have no qualms in disagreeing with Ra, don, Carla, jim, bob, you, shaughnessy or another person if i disagree with, and whenever i do, i state that i disagree, openly and directly, and provide reasoning. anywhere like that, i have done as such. if something is a direct conclusion of another person, entity, channeling, i have also stated as such and given references. you are rephrasing and reiterating same things over and over again and expecting answers again. as i told you, i wont discuss with you.
Quote:Distortion is how the infinite can be perceived as the many. You are trying to see as many that which is one. Thus you distort yourself. You are doing this by seeing a timeline in something that is an eternal now moment. Which is good unless you then proceed to consider the timeline reality. The map, as they say, is not the territory.
what you call 'distortion' is the discovery of the multipleness and characteristics that underlie in what you call the 'creator' and, in a greater extent, its higher principle, the infinity.
'creator will know its self', means this. if there is nothing to be known, you cant know nothing. if there are things to be known, that means there are elements in something, that can be identified and perceived.
'eternal now' moment is reality as you approach infinity, and it is unreal as you go down the lower levels. for us, the time concept exists more, for infinity, it both exists and it is both none.
if 'you were all that there is' there would ne NO need to discover anything else than you, ali qadir. yet, here we are, we are discovering ourselves too, different fractions, characteristics, elements that exist in infinity.
dubbing it 'illusory' doesnt change the fact that all these refractions, differentiations, characteristics, focuses exist, within the 'one creator' you speak about, and consequentially, the infinity it is a part of.
i think it cant be clearer than that.
all what the philosophy you are employing doing is, dubbing some reality, existence, differentiation, focus, - whatever you call - that DOES exist within infinity, and then call it 'illusory', because, everything is united within infinity.
'ooooh it was unreal' -> no, it was real, and it is still real, at point infinity too. just, all the different existences and refractions in between infinity are infinitely harmonized at point infinity, and, therefore, the outside limited perceiver, and the inside fragment, is unable to perceive the differentiations that underlie within infinity, and see it as 'one'.
same goes for the 'creator' of this octave, the central sun, same goes for infinite intelligence. to you, an outside observer or a limited observer, infinite intelligence would seem 'one', uniform and single. yet, all what you see around you, in this octave, are what exists within it. its characteristics, refractions, different focuses.
its a matter of perception.
Quote:Not only did Ra borrow here the alpha and omega. An ancient metaphor for God. Thus linking it to our concepts. He qualifies that there is only the present moment. While you're cutting things up into an "first", "next", "and then" story.. This is useful in discerning different qualities of the thing you're cutting up. But it should not be mistaken for the whole once it's cut up. This reality is not cut up, it's a unity.
The alpha and omega, Ouroboros, the being that causes himself. Also the sign of infinity in our symbology. Ra isn't telling anything new here. He's just being exceptionally lucid about it.
We are infinity, the veil of distortions exist because we want to experience an alternative to "the complete unity of thought which binds all things". But it is not a requirement, it is not the deeper reality. All these alternatives exist within the eternal moment where the complete unity of thought exists. Our limited awareness does not mean we are not Gods.
You're saying we're infinite in principle, think about it, what does that mean? That I'm infinite in Ra's theory but reality doesn't match this theory? Then Ra's theory must be wrong, or you're not seeing straight. Infinity is an experiential reality, even to us mere mortals, in spite of the distortions of daily life we experience lucid moments.
Not only did Ra borrow here the alpha and omega. An ancient metaphor for God. Thus linking it to our concepts. He qualifies that there is only the present moment. While you're cutting things up into an "first", "next", "and then" story.. This is useful in discerning different qualities of the thing you're cutting up. But it should not be mistaken for the whole once it's cut up. This reality is not cut up, it's a unity.
The alpha and omega, Ouroboros, the being that causes himself. Also the sign of infinity in our symbology. Ra isn't telling anything new here. He's just being exceptionally lucid about it.
We are infinity, the veil of distortions exist because we want to experience an alternative to "the complete unity of thought which binds all things". But it is not a requirement, it is not the deeper reality. All these alternatives exist within the eternal moment where the complete unity of thought exists. Our limited awareness does not mean we are not Gods.
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ra used many earthly concepts to communicate a lot of things. the communication channels and vocabulary used does not make the earthly concepts take place of purer concepts.
alpha, omega, beginning and the end, the circle is, because each octave ends, and another octave begins, from focuses. yet, there is definitely difference, because, the central logos does not always repeat the same octave over and over and over. there is a previous, and a next one. each octave is built on the experience harvest of the earlier.
that means, the one central sun, the logos, the 'creator' as one dub it, actually changes.
Quote:You're saying we're infinite in principle, think about it, what does that mean? That I'm infinite in Ra's theory but reality doesn't match this theory? Then Ra's theory must be wrong, or you're not seeing straight. Infinity is an experiential reality, even to us mere mortals, in spite of the distortions of daily life we experience lucid moments.
we have discussed this, and i think we are reiterating it again.
you are infinite in principle. since there is infinity, and you are a part of that infinity, you, also have to be infinite, inwards, and forward. as such, you will forever exist as a part of infinity, and keep changing the way your characteristic is, and, infinite realities within you will keep existing, and changing, as such. and with you, infinite other characteristics in infinite other levels will keep changing, and their inner planes will be keeping infinite realities and infinite planes themselves, changing.
even if you unite with infinite intelligence through the central logos of this octave, at the end of this octave, these will remain there. and, when another experiential nexus begins, they will manifest again, in the manner they have changed to, from the last octave.
that is infinity of the finite, and the nature of infinity that is comprised of infinite finites.