Comparing "The Work" of Gurdjieff to The Ra Material

[Jade]

I think it's possible that we began talking about different things without realizing it. I am talking about a third density entity achieving fourth density harvest (the entity that is far along its path without realizing it), and it seems the two of you are speaking more of adept work, i.e. that which comes after one activates the green ray, if they so desire - stuff that would affect Wanderers more, those who come from a higher density.

I think it's possible that, if a third density entity who is unpolarized becomes aware of any spiritual work that tells them they must polarize, that their intentions to polarize might become way more muddled and confused than if a third density entity were to spontaneous come upon the open heart in a "organic", spontaneous way.

But, in total, my understanding of the Ra material that the point of adepthood is to then therefore lead back to the point where the act of generating love is spontaneous and not premeditated. Ritualizing spirituality is just to undo our ritualization of all of the unspiritual things that we spend out attention upon. From what I understand, the point of "ritual" is to create a habit so that a movement of energy is spontaneous and not forced.

I'm not closing the door on premeditated acts. I'm just arguing against what seems to be a hard point of Gurdjieff's that one must be fully aware/conscious of their spiritual potential to utilize polarization. But I don't know anything about Gurdjieff, all I have is what you have said herald - which isn't much really, considering I don't know any of the lingo. So I'm not quite sure what we're all necessarily disagreeing about anymore.