Comparing "The Work" of Gurdjieff to The Ra Material

[Jade]

Aion.
Thanks for commenting on my post and for being the first person in twenty years who has said that I am anything near "frivolous" when it comes to my philosophy. So I am laughing internally as I write, at the thought of for once being the "easy-going spiritualist". My constant reminder is that .169 was an "harmonious harvest", and ours seemed on course to be alarmingly thin from my impression of the Ra Material.
I love the Gurdjieff Work mostly for its sense of urgency and sincerity. I have been trying to communicate with others on the Ra material something that I wish to understand based on the comparison of these two sources of genuine teaching.
I looked up self-harvest and did not find the area to which you refer in stating:
     
         the only ones who 'self-harvest' are those of high enough negative polarity, otherwise there are assisting 'harvesters'

I know about the three examples of negative self-harvest, but I think its  also possible to "graduate" before harvest... "harvestable", you might say. In this state one may be able to sustain being and memory of self without the yellow ray activation. Here is perhaps what the yogis refer to as no longer needing the "Wheel of Karma". It is my impression that if this is your 4D home planet, then absolutely you would want to stick around it and maybe even incarnate now and again to help a student or a group of beings turning towards the path of service to others.

Not only, Aion, do I also as you say "not agree that every death is a 'harvest"-  I deeply agree with the concepts of Gurdjieff that if a man is not consciously awake (as opposed to our normal state of being unconsciously awake and able to function in an automatic way based on a regular system of shocks  from our life circumstances) when he performs these so-called acts of service to others then is does not count as what he called “conscious labor” or in different words an act of love.  

But I further believe it is only with what Gurdjieff calls self-remembering - but Ra calls "love". (Love sounds better, I know- but this post is about contrast as well, so perhaps to actually participate in the true business of "love” of self or others, one must be conscious- and not acting from automatic state).

Consider this: What if when I for example… open the door for someone, or prepare a meal for my family-  am utterly lost in my own thoughts as I do . . . is this  what Ra refers to as using the green ray of love, or could it actually be perhaps a skillful command of the yellow ray of relationship of self to other. Inasmuch as I wish to consider myself a good and upright person is not my labor also coming back to benefit me? I submit that there is a bit missing here that has to do with the self disciplined awareness.

May you sense the intention of service in my words.  

Here are the quotes you are looking for:

15.15 Questioner: I don’t mean to ask the same question twice, but there are some areas I consider so important that greater understanding may be obtained by possible restatement in other words. I thank you very much for your patience. Yesterday, you also mentioned that when there was no harvest at the end of the last 25,000-year period, “there were harvestable entities who shall choose the manner of their entrance into the fourth density.” Can you tell me what you mean by how “they will choose the manner of their entrance into the fourth density?”

Ra: I am Ra. These shepherds, or, as some have called them, the “Elder Race,” shall choose the time/space of their leaving. They are unlikely to leave until their other-selves are harvestable also.

17.25 Questioner: How did Taras Bulba, Genghis Khan, and Rasputin get harvested prior to the harvest?

Ra: I am Ra. It is the right/privilege/duty of those opening consciously the gate to intelligent infinity to choose the manner of their leaving of the density. Those of negative orientation who so achieve this right/duty most often choose to move forward in their learn/teaching of service to self.

Usually, positive entities stay and reincarnate with their unharvested soul groups, negative entities move on as soon as they can.

For the other part, Ra says that an early 3rd density entity reverts to the ORANGE ray when it comes to serving the family - seeing the group as an extension of itself, like a pack animal. Ra says this is without polarity. So your point about "conscious" service rings true there, but Ra also says that most entities are far along the path of their choosing before they become conscious that they have even made a choice. Ra also says that an entity can be harvestable without any knowledge of the Law of One. In fact, humility in the face of "knowledge" is required for harvest. Once one reaches 5th density, conscious awareness of one's acts is required.

16.39 Questioner: I am assuming it is not necessary for an individual to understand the Law of One to go from third to fourth density. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. It is absolutely necessary that an entity consciously realize it does not understand in order for it to be harvestable. Understanding is not of this density.

16.40 Questioner: That is a very important point. I used the wrong word. What I meant to say was I believe that it was not necessary for an entity to be consciously aware of the Law of One to go from third to fourth density.

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

16.41 Questioner: At what point in densities is it necessary for an entity to be consciously aware of the Law of One to progress?

Ra: I am Ra. The fifth-density harvest is of those whose vibratory distortions consciously accept the honor/duty of the Law of One. This responsibility/honor is the foundation of this vibration.