10-08-2010, 10:51 AM
(10-07-2010, 01:34 PM)Quantum Wrote: * The veil allows us, causes us, seemingly makes us believe we are suffering. Piercing the veil, or even only small aspects of it, namely the suffering portion thereof, therefore might allow us to suffer less. What do you think?
Most certainly. Consider that suffering, like stress, is always due to the impression of lack of control in a given situation. As the veil is pierced, that impression is reduced, and so to is the resulting suffering.
(10-07-2010, 01:34 PM)Quantum Wrote: * The second part of the equation is that suffering, even with the veil heavily drawn like a thickly ladened curtain made of lead, is nonetheless presumably created as a tool of and for learning as one of its primary purposes. Even one with a heavily ladened lead curtain drawn thickly about them may nonetheless have a greater efficiency for learning, thus perhaps lessening the burden of the suffering caused him as a result of the lesson either lost on him or not learned previously?
I believe that the lesson to be learned from suffering is one of atonement. In our Judeo/Christian/Islamic (JCI did you call it), traditions, the term atonement is interpreted to mean spiritual restitution for sins. To me, atonement is the process of being more "at one" with the creator and hence all of the co-creators we may have intentionally or unintentionally harmed (or caused to suffer). By experiencing suffering, we are learning the lesson of atonement through forgiveness of ourselves (for causing suffering to others and ourselves) and others (for causing our suffering). I use the term "causing" guardedly, because, in truth, we create all the suffering in our lives through our inability to fully recognize the creator in ourselves and others. To your previous point, by piercing the veil, we more clearly are able to recognize this truth.
(10-07-2010, 01:34 PM)Quantum Wrote: * May suffering therefore as a consequence not be controlled and even diminished as a result, this proportionate at and to a ratio equal to the lessons being learned?
Yes, again to me the lesson to be learned is atonement, or our "at one ment" with all other entities. The more we are at one with all around us, the less we suffer and the less we can cause suffering.
(10-07-2010, 01:34 PM)Quantum Wrote: * This returns us to one of the original questions now more refined. May it be that the Logos never wished for ITself to suffer, but that IT instead wishes for ITself to learn, understanding that the lack thereof causes IT to suffer nonetheless, all in the effort so that IT may learn?
Yes again, ditto my answer above. Consider too, that suffering is an amazing emotion. And it is through our emotions and actions that the One Creator is experiencing himself.
When you enter a movie theater, do you wish the actors that portray the characters to suffer? No, you realize that the actors and the characters are different. Even though the characters may appear to suffer greatly, you know that the actors portraying them are unharmed by the story. Still, by attending the movie, you are able to experience a wide spectrum of emotions that you would not have, if you hadn't entered the theater. Similarly, the Logos and the One Creator experience and learn through our suffering (joy, fear, love, etc.) just as you learn through those experiences gleaned in the theater. Even though they recognize that there is no real suffering, they do gain experience when we, as characters, experience it. Note that this was not possible before the veil.
(10-07-2010, 01:34 PM)Quantum Wrote: * Given that the Logos does presumably weep for our suffering, as questioned in my quote above and as answered by the Ra quote you provide as regards the brothers and sisters of sorrow, this compounded by the call they answer to (presumably put forth as a result of the suffering endured), the suffering may be nothing more than the by-product of slow learning as its consequence. We may then very well have it within our hands to quell it, perhaps certainly not so for the planet at large, as each must learn it's own lessons at it's own pace, but perhaps certainly so individually?
At the risk of sounding trite, I suggest again that one can cease to suffer simply by choosing not to suffer. More easily said than done perhaps, but I think that it can be accomplished through constant, conscious recognition that we are the actors, not the characters, and that in reality there is but one actor... us. This process may be amplified and accelerated through meditation and viewing the world with our inherent, childlike sense of curiosity and wonderment.
(10-07-2010, 01:34 PM)Quantum Wrote: * Last question: Might the minimization of suffering in ones life then, if any of the above is true, be akin to the finely wrought mask that our dear friend βαθμιαίος as poetically proposed, and as such, also be likened to a finely wrought instrument created by ourselves to gauge where we may be at with respect to our lessons?
Indeed, my friend, indeed.
(10-07-2010, 01:34 PM)Quantum Wrote: As you know, it is always my pleasure 3D,
The pleasure is mine as well, dear friend.
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