Socialism of 4D, Capitalism, Is Money STS?

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We all take more energy from the sun than we give to it. Are we, therefore, profiting at the sun's expense? Shall we all have a karmic obligation to return that excess of energy to the Sun, once we arrive at a density of existing as light? After our 3D bodies die, they decompose and return nutrients that can support plant life; do our souls have a karmic obligation of restitution for every plant we ever ate?

the end aim is to be like a sun actually. so, if one is wanting to progress, it should increasingly become like the sun.

and yeah, we are profiting from it. the less we profit, and use our own inner source, the further we go.

or, we can choose profiting and clog all chakras, taking more and more.

and, we do have a karmic obligation to radiate whatever energy we took, its inevitable, everything needs to be balanced, and it is going to be balanced. we may radiate it here, we may radiate it in other planets, we may radiate as members of another galaxy, it doesnt matter, we will balance it outright, eventually, even if in another octave.

and, nature balances EVERYthing, as a sidenote.

however, these are not relevant to the subject we are discussing.

I disagree with your repeated assertion that profit is always taking more than one gives, thus creating a negative imbalance.

Many of the current dysfunctions of today's economic systems were addressed by Ford. He suggested - and in some cases, implemented - more lovingly concerned alternatives.

profit is not a system. profit is a concept. it means, you give x, but you take more than x in return. no amount of addressing can change that.

if you concentrate on entire system, as long as you dont give all the entities participating in the work, their equal share of the work they did, and if any of them earns more than the work they have done, either as shareholders, or as managers, or anything, it will be a negative structure, because, some entities are working for the benefit of others.

Are you claiming that every historical record of Ford's radical increases of wages and profit sharing is a forgery? That he did not actually radically increase the amount of pay for a day's work compared to what everyone was used to and expected at the time? That his book does not describe an approach to pay for a day's work that radically shifted power away from any kind of hoarding or aristocracy, towards the benefit of workers, their families and communities? That he did not implement that approach and did not believe the tenets he claims in his book? If so, whoever could document such a sham would deserve a major prize in history.

i was talking, system wide. im not fixated on ford, since an individual cannot prove/disprove entire systems regardless of whatever is done.

I don't believe that either, by the way. While I readily admit I might be mistaken about physics, based on what I've read and studied, I believe electromagnetic radiation spherically spreads outward in oscillating wavefronts. But that's irrelevant to the question of profit. It is, however, another u100 proclamation without disclaimer. No "it seems to me." No "as far as I understand." No "based on what I've read." No "I might be mistaken, but..." No hint of a humble spirit that recognizes wisdom might be distributed across more than one perception, understanding, or conclusion. This makes it easy to encounter speeches from up high on the pedestal, but difficult to sustain a multiple-way dialogue between equals.

its not my 'proclamation'. its what Ra says about the creation of light. it is created to travel in a straight line, in order to express infinity.

if the example doesnt fit your taste, lets make another example :

there is gravity on this planet. if you jump, you fall. no kind of emotion, opinion, life story, treatise will change that. the only way not to fall, is to resist and offset gravity, in ANY manner. still, gravity will keep acting, even if you mentally levitate and fly in the air by your own will. you will be just spending enough effort to offset it.

You seem to be saying - correct me if I'm wrong here - that the very concept and action of profit is, in itself, inherently evil, destructive, coercive, enslaving. That it embodies STS negativity of master/slave relationships upon all humans involved in the profitable transaction. If this is your point, I vigorously disagree. While I agree you've often stated it, I think you're very far from having proven it. It seems you continue to dismiss any evidence to the contrary without really thinking it through.

profit, is a negative energy flow. you may dub this evil, or destructive, this or that.

as long as a source takes more than it gives out, it will keep being a negative flow.

coercive, enslaving, master/slave etc, are not part of that. they come with the system that it is plugged into.

but, there are mechanics naturally, if there is a limited amount of resources or entities, and if they are allowed to take more than they give, some will have more than others eventually, and be stronger than the others and rule others, since this matter involves distribution and usage of resources, with ownership concept included.

im sorry but there can be no 'evidence' against a negative energy flow, being a negative energy flow.

if, in a given environment, if some exchange is done, and some amount goes out, but, in the end if there is more than there was before, it means that that environment has taken in more than it had given. for it to have more than it had before, something, outside, must have decreased. that, constitutes a negative flow.

this doesnt need proving.