(10-06-2010, 08:31 PM)Eddie Wrote: Socialism is, at best, coercive, extortive, and parasitic; in most cases, it is far worse. It is an infringement upon the free will of the productive segment of society, by the unproductive segment of society, and therefore, inherently Service-to-Self in orientation. It is contrary to the desires of all honest men.
and from whence does your attributions come, i wonder.
and, i am also wondering that, whether 200,000 entities working for the profit of a mere 1000-2000 entities, and 80% of the society working for the top 1% to get 50% of everything, and this being a 'corporation' and being 'private business' is compliant with the desires of 'honest men'.
what you say, seems like more negative conditionings against a concept, rather than actual logical conclusions.
you are villifying a concept that suggests that everyone should have equal share in everything, from food to governance. then, going emphasizing equality.
Quote:My understanding of 4-D positive is that, in that milieu, there is no infringement upon free will. In 4-D positive we would see nothing that we would recognize as Socialism. In 4-D negative, however, socialism, or the same thing by some other name, would be the only system allowed, or possible.
yes. people will say to each other
'oh, how i love you, how i love everything. im filled with divine love. ooops a second, let me bill you $99,99 for the groceries you bought ... what was i saying ? yes, love !!'
in 4d things can be only positive, or negative. it is a polarized density.
a situation in which 200,000 entities work for 1000 entities, with all their output going to those 1000 entities but a mere token amount to survive on to themselves, can NOT happen. its the perfect description of willful slavery.
the only option for those 200,000 entities, is to choose which 1000 masters they are going to slaver for, by changing the master they work for, for a better token amount. and, this is expressed as 'freedom of choice'.
freedom of choosing one's own master to exploit oneself, is not choice.
(10-06-2010, 08:58 PM)Eddie Wrote: It is the philosophy itself. A small ruling elite arrogates to itself the control over all economic activity (in other words, it confiscates the labor of others. Another term for this is enslavement.)
please explain how does everything belonging to everyone, and everyone getting equal shares from the products of their labor, everyone being owners of what they do, and everyone having equal rights to deciding what happens in the land, is enslavement. with logical axioms and propositions, please. not accusations and unfounded adjectives.