Why would the Creator elect to create suffering for ITself?

[Quantum]

Close your eyes and imagine in your mind's eye that you are visually seeing the photons that constitute your reality around you. Imagine how on that level, they are simply vibrating at different speeds, and are not the vibration OF emotions/thoughts/feelings, and instead are just particles of light which are vibrating in order to provide a background substance for things like emotions to exist, as well as all the physical matter we like to call "stuff". Now imagine that as you are seeing these photons vibrating, that you are now seeing the same thing but in the circumstance of someone killing another human being out of the distortion towards revenge. You are still seeing particles of light, which are now twinkling with different degrees of brightness and vibration. Nothing else has changed on that level has it? The photons are simply vibrating at different speeds. You are zoomed in too far to sense things like emotion and thoughts. All you see is light. This is just one other perspective in itself.

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Great stuff again Turtle. Thank you. I too have had very similar considerations regarding the physicality of it all against the backdrop of light.

Of course you can choose to experience a realm without suffering. It is not so much a question of whether or not you can choose this....I believe the more appropriate question for you would be, why have I chosen to incarnate in a world where the concept of suffering is quite vivid and constantly available to experience?

Suffering does seem to be a fundamental characteristic of the Earth Life School (see Tarot cards Fool, Strength, Temperance, Devil and Tower). We are constrained in our Free Will by these archetype patterns laid down by the Galaxy, as modified by our Sun.

Agreed. I would ask however if we as the adept nearing 4D, or perhaps wandering from 5D or 6D, may minimize it as part of our lives and as one of the experiences towards refining/manipulating/creating ones life experience as part of breaking the illusion if you will?

That said, the Adept has quite powerful ways to do Reality Creation (even in the ELS) and probably could avoid much suffering.

I am most keen to hear more of your sentiments as regards this if you are interested in revealing more. I will confess that this is one of the more titillating of points I have been experimenting with for quite a long stretch of my own life experience and is perhaps a most powerful and elegant tool. It resonates with me. Humorously it reads as quite profound and deep. Simplified to its extreme, it may simply be read as "Playing In The Fields Of The Lord" with ones life in the manner one would more like to live it.

Quantum, all your small questions seem to harmonize into one that asks "Can we, as the Creator, create a third density veiled experience which does not employ suffering as a method of moving upwards in the spiral of consciousness?"[

Yes, you are extremely on target Aaron.

..I know from experience that when one consciously begins to co-create...one is vibrating in both third and fourth density (i.e. an "enlightened" person who is still primarily aware of third density and will remain so until death). Thus, that person begins to consciously create a life experience devoid of suffering, and also begins to manifest 4th density awareness on earth. They are one and the same. If the vast majority of people on earth were therefore enlightened, 4th density consciousness would be the primary consciousness on earth. You could say the earth would be in 4th density at that point. There would be no suffering manifested then. So my point there is that from within incarnation, if an experience without suffering is created, it leads to movement up the spiral of consciousness into 4th density awareness.

I like it very much. If you would Aaron, are there references from Ra that you are pulling from or are these intuitive responses? If from references I would be appreciative if you might share them. If not, do go on in any event.

Suffering very obviously has its place here as seen by its place here. I feel intuitively that manipulating the lack of suffering may play as legitimate a role as does suffering itself. In other words, what ever gets you there gets you there. Such a path (the reduction of suffering) might be seen, particularly by one such as myself, as a bit more elegant, but certainly not more valid. Each to their own. It requires however a great deal of participation into the task of attempting not to make a mess of things to begin with which necessitates the suffering as a learning vehicle as a result. In other words smile alot, and be as nice as is often as possible, but also be wiling to defend one self and fight if necessary if you love yourself as much. Hopefully you don't love yourself too much in this regard less you may get caught up in fighting too much by loving yourself more than the other. There is also a time to simply walk away and blow out candles, as it were, as a most loving gift to the other who is unrelentingly invested into the fight. Like the man on a tightwire in the circus of life, it is a delicate balancing act filled with spectacle, balloons, music, mayhem, and clowns all about. Ra and Jesus pretty well summed up these sentiments on love far better than might I. I've shared very little of myself here on B4th as have so many others, and as such have never posted a Wanderer story as a result. Quite frankly, maybe I am, maybe I'm not. I have my life now and its quite an excellent one. I am averse to revealing too much for personal reasons, and find it irrelevant for discourse in any event, but will slightly, for the purpose of the question, speak to it a bit very sketchily towards that purpose. I am blessed. I know it. Life has not been a struggle. My parents are my best friends. My brothers are my best friends. My girlfriends have been my best friends. All of my best friends have been life long best friends. Not just a few. Almost all them. My education came easy and was never a struggle. My finances...forget about it, have been more than extremely wonderful. Some of my business partners (?) ... well, when one swims with sharks in the deep end of the pool one rather naturally assumes that the occasional shark or two will get the occasional nibble. One has to have the stomach for it given that business, like politics, breeds STS by nature. But if one gambles, as in life, one rather assumes one will loose a few hands at the hand of either the deal, if not the dealer himself. It goes with the game. Again, as in Life, its how much one walks away with at the end of the evening that determines if one is a loser versus a winner, rather than counting every hand lost. And perhaps that's part of the higher game and the difference in playing it. There are those I know that win millions, yet only speak to the hand(s) they've lost.

My point in revealing this is that I have since early youth always been attracted to esoterica and have specifically additionally always held that one may quite profoundly utilize ones life as the example to oneself, just exactly through the experiment I have revealed, i.e., to minimize ones suffering, or shall we say to live more elegantly in a more refined capacity. And most certainly not just with respect to money. If you are correct Aaron, and I think your response is most insightful, then we indeed have the gift of the creator as the creator and are armed with the inherent wherewithal to act as manifesting beings to create to the extent that we may increase or minimize as much as we care to or need, which does not bar or exclude suffering if we need it or came for it, but may not necessitate it even if we did, this by and through the power of learning, willing, and absolving ourselves. Otherwise like Dorothy in Oz we simply click our heels in unison to the mantra and cool-aide we drink that says we suffer because we are all in a consensus collective reality that agrees we do and says we do in 3D. Can we pull away from the herd mentality, even within a subset herd that is significantly more armed, even with such precepts as the LOO and other such tools, who within such subsets may still huddle nonetheless? Walking alone is an upmost requirement as seen in Arcanum Number 15, The Devil. As the saint, sage, and great teacher Groucho Marx said: "You go to Uruguay and I'll go my way." Walking ones own way not only very often scares the herd, it as often pisses them off. The herd requires that you conform, even within subsets of herds. I feel these sentiments are not the ramblings of a madman as much as what I see about me is quite mad indeed, while it is not mad at all, if you know what I mean. Its all good.


~ Q ~