(10-05-2010, 11:49 AM)Aaron Wrote: Suffering is only suffering until the sufferer has the profound realization that it's a divine gift. Then, it becomes like a stairstep to higher consciousness. At that point, it's important to note that suffering is an illusion. It has no depth other than what you give it. In and of itself, it is not suffering at all. And you no longer define yourself as one who suffers. Look up what the Buddha had to say about suffering. Very relevant information there.
... If you think "But look at all the pain suffering brings to humanity! It's a horrible thing." Remember that suffering is only suffering to the one who defines themselves as a sufferer.
Excellent answers and references Aaron. Thank you as well LSD. But, might even we with our limited knowledge and understanding not imagine a scenario wherein catalyst might be offered, but one with the negation of suffering as a requisite of same? You see, within the bubble of the illusion already created, in which suffering is defined as a part of catalyst, we may, as if without choice, need necessitate the understanding of suffering as part of its reason for being. Is it possible to imagine it without being? If it is, is it possible to imagine catalyst offered irrespectively as efficiently? In the context to the question, even Quo is answering from within the bubble of it (suffering) already being created. Certainly sufferings is a wonderful catalyst. Certainly it offers itself as a means for an entity to crystallize itself towards expansion of ITself as the Infinite Creator as a result. But the real question is, is it absolutely necessary as part of the process towards crystallization?
Let me change or refine the question, if not stand it on its head. Is it we in fact, as the Creator, who have in fact decided and elected to create suffering through the faculty of Free Will? If so, can we negate it, and not necessarily in the world, but most certainly in our lives, and crystallize in any event as efficiently? And by this I don't mean negate the pain that already exists, as in the Buddhist sense that I feel nothing in the mouth of the lion that is devouring me. I mean, there is no lion, replete with the blood letting and fangs accompanied with same. May we elect to live our lives on an altogether different level through this very act of Free Will by in fact manipulating the energies as the adept so effectively wherein in fact suffering as a condition and as an experience becomes minimized, if not negated, as in neutralized, this in fact, not just mind?
Are we is the creator or are we aint? If we is the creator, are we aint so by the very fact that we are the creator that has taken it upon itself to believe we must suffer? If so, may we suspend same? As the adept crystallized, may we therefore offer ourselves the unmitigated opportunity to un-suffer?
If not, "Then If Loving You ( un-suffering) Is Wrong I Don't Wanna Be Right"
performed most notably by Luther Ingram
~ Q ~