the amish dont get autism: VACCINES

[Monica]

I was unhappy with the level of information given to me to make the choice on behalf of my child.... so I spent the time looking into it myself.

@ndy, I totally agree! The decision as to whether or not to vaccinate was one of the most difficult decisions I ever made as a parent. There is a huge amount of information that most parents are not aware of.

Moderator note: This thread has been merged with another thread on vaccinations, containing a great deal of valuable discussion. See the first page of this thread, which contains the earlier discussion.

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...since Gates retired he has made a difference to many people in this world. Usually the poorest. I've been very critical of him but he's demonstrating being one of the good guys. He's intent on spending at least half his money before he dies on good causes and real differences for humanity. And he's encouraging the richest of the world to do the same.

I agree that Bill Gates is doing a lot of good in the world. Ali, you know I disagree with you about vaccines. As you well know from the earlier discussion (that's now at the top of this discussion), I consider vaccines far, far more dangerous than the diseases they are purported to protect from. But I don't think everyone who promotes vaccines is aware of the dangers of vaccines. In fairness to Bill Gates, he is probably promoting something that the earnestly believes is beneficial.

He's working from the misunderstanding that the earth changes are our own doing.

Uh oh, looks like I may have to dig out the Global Warming debate, ahem, I mean discussion too! Another highly volatile and controversial topic.

But he doesn't intend to actually kill people to reduce the population. Last year he made malaria a goal. This year it's energy. To save lives in the long run.

With so many obvious real villains in the world, I prefer to give the benefit of the doubt to those who appear to be doing good, Bill Gates among them.

Furthermore: giving a child's immune system a deactivated virus will not make him sick.

That might be true if it were only a deactivated virus that's being injected. But it isn't. There are many toxic chemicals in that vaccine. The list of ingredients in this chemical cocktail, along with discussion about the differences between injecting directly into the bloodstream vs. ingesting substances, is found earlier in this discussion.

Put your child in a plastic sterile bubble... Knowing that the kid will be miserable and the first puncture will potentially kill the child.

Vaccinating and keeping the child in a sterile environment are not the only options. A 3rd option is to strengthen the immune system in other ways. An additional component of that is homeopathic immunization.

The child came to earth. The child NEEDS indoctrination, it depends on you for this. Because without it, it will not know how to speak, it will not even know how to think. Amazing as it might seem, speech and thought are directly related. Without your help, it will not learn to walk, it will not learn to deal with people. This is indoctrination... Considering this bad or evil is, in my view ignorant. As a psychologist, I can assure you that your indoctrination and education that you give your child will be it's most valuable asset during the rest of it's life... It is a gift of freedom, not enslavement. If your kid doesn't like water, you'll hopefully still teach it to swim. Gently both to teach it to face fears and give it a fighting chance when it eventually does end up in the water.

My friend, I understand your point, but, respectfully, I think there's a huge difference between education and indoctrination. I wouldn't lump them into the same category. I am very much in favor of education, but very much against indoctrination.

The former implies the ability to think for oneself, whereas the latter implies being forcefed viewpoints, and taught to never question those viewpoints.

I encourage everyone to check the facts and their history for themselves it'll only cost a few hours of your life and they are more sound than anything.

Whose history? Are you referring to the history of vaccines, and are you saying that vaccines are sound? If so, I emphatically disagree. But I still love you.

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My son was diagnosed with Autistic Spectrum Disorder. He used to scream for hours, bang his head to the point of self injury, bite, kick, refuse to eat, and toilet... It was.... very difficult. This all began to occur after being vaccinated with 10 vaccines all at once. Before this event, he was a sweet natured loving child who loved to interact with people, was speaking, eating food and highly interested in toileting. (he was 22 months). About 1 week after vaccination he developed full body eczema and the behaviors began.

It took me a year to figure out what had happened to him... I knew something was amiss. For Goodness sakes it does not take a double blind study to observe a reaction to something.

Fairy, I'm sorry to hear about yours and your son's difficult experience! But what a profound statement you made: It doesn't take a double blind study to observe a reaction... How very true! The parents of children who've been affected by vaccines know what is obvious. That's why it's such an insult when the drug companies try to cover it up with data. There's no way to convince a parent who knows what happened to her child, that it was unrelated, any more than a person who had a spiritual experience could be convinced that we're not spiritual beings.

I'm glad to hear you were able to find healing for your son!

I also believe Autism is really being a specialist in life. High functioning Autistic People are specialist in their chosen fields of study. There has always been high functioning Autistic People in the world... what I believe has changed is there are now more Autistic People.

That's a beautiful way to look at it!