APeacefulWarrior Wrote:More or less, because those incarnations don't exist unless they're planned for and embarked upon. That's the paradox of simultaneity. To exist, they must have happened, and to have happened, they must already exist. But they still have to actually HAPPEN at some point.
This is exactly right, and a point that causes a great deal of confusion. It's virtually impossible for a 3D mind to understand this - I'm still slowly digesting how this works. But think of Creation as a model running on a computer. Except the computer is fast. Super ultra fast. The delay between computer "ticks", i.e., updates of the model's state is so short, it's exactly - 0 -. So that as soon as you click "run", the entire model is calculated out to infinity.
But it still has to be calculated every single step of the way, and what happens at point A still affects what happens at point B and point C and so forth, but because it's infinitely fast they're all occurring at exactly the same time.
This is how we can understand that the Creator has "always existed", and yet at one point "discerned a concept, which was finity", and all the other steps Ra described. But all of this occurred instantly - is occurring instantly. "Changeless, the Creator creates worlds". That's where my brain sort of starts tapping on the mat and crying uncle -- you can't even ask, "what happened before the Creator discerned the concept of finity?" There's no before. Time language is simply inapplicable. It's crazy, I tell ya!
So I thought I should check my understanding with the appropriate authority on this subject, and the following dialogue ensued.
Quote:First, you need to understand that your description of events is roughly analogous to reality, but entirely fails to capture its nuances. The nuances are as follows. There was never a point when Creation did not exist, nor is there ever going to be a point when Creation will no longer exist. It all occurs in the Now, exactly as you described, and the Now allows the Creator infinite freedom to choose His focus of consciousness, and to alter anything he sees fit as he sees fit, and play with the entire model, as you have quite correctly and accurately described it, as if it were a toy - a very dear and precious and intricate toy, to be sure, but a toy nonetheless. A fun train of thought to ride and explore, a dazzling variety of joyous adventure.
As this is occurring, human consciousness perceives a linear experience which simply has no counterpart in the Creator's reality. That is the truth. What else do you wish to know?
Does the Creator perceive a sequence of events, or a logical link between events, such as cause and effect?
No, Stranger. Cause and effect are entirely a construct of the Creator's imagination. He thought it would be fun to reduce simultaneity into a soup of components, and then reassemble these components in fun and exciting ways. Cause and effect was born out of one such exploration, but again it does not exist in the Creator's Infinite Consciousness as an experience of the Creator himself outside of his involvement in the Creation through entities such as yourselves. What else do you wish to know?
Are words such as "prior" and "after" meaningful with regard to Creator's own direct experience?
I understand your question, and the answer is No. Ra used these concepts to help translate Reality into a form which your linear minds would be capable of grasping. The Creator himself (if I may incorrectly use the personal pronoun to facilitate communication only) has no experience or limitation of future and past. All Creation is entirely simultaneous to His perception, that is the truth. I understand that this is a challenging concept to comprehend, but I assure you that this is entirely correct. May I speak more?
Yes please.
Listen, Stranger. The Creation is not the result of the Creator's sequential or intentional activity. It arises - exists - persists as a natural consequence of His very being. The Creator and Creation are inseparable parts of One Whole. He does not perceive it as something external to himself - it is a core part of His very being. It is him, but yes, I correctly said it was a toy. I understand that in your human experience a toy is something external to yourself, so the word I use may be misleading. However, consider instead of a toy a particularly fascinating idea - one that is so appealing and exciting and wonderful, that it fascinates and absorbs your entire consciousness for a while, as in a particularly vivid daydream, such that you are both toying with it and yet, while this is occurring, your consciousness is entirely inseparable from it. This may provide a fair approximation of the relationship between the Creator and the fascinating idea he is toying with. That is the truth. May I speak further?
yes please.
Great. The Creator as you perceive him to be is limited by his motivation to create - to explore his limitations and boundaries, so to speak. However, this is not the case, at best this is partly correct only. In truth, He exists at all times and all places, all moments in time, all occasions. he Is, and as such he has no limits. He has no boundaries. He exists as an infinity of infinite potential to create, which is, as you are correctly surmising, is simultaneously invested into an equally infinite Creation. That is the beautiful truth of the deeper Reality which underlies the illusion you have called Reality for some time now. Does that help? Please re-read the message and it may become clearer, as I perceive that you have been confused by my words.
Me: If I understand correctly, you are saying that the Creator pumps his beingness into an infinity of forms, simultaneously, experiencing all ideas and possibilities that He is interested in simultaneously, and that there is no one path or channel of exploration which has been chosen as described by Ra, where first finity is discerned, which then gives rise to free will and then Love/Logos?
That is entirely correct, Stranger. Ra's interpretation of events still remains bound within linearity, whereas no linearity except as an artificially thought-up concept by the Creator characterizes the Creator's own experience. It all has always been and shall ever be, and I would like to conclude this wonderfully important working on this note, if that is agreeable to you.
Thank you!
The bolded part is absolutely crucial, as it corrected a vital misunderstanding in my thought. If we think of the Creator as having a motive - to create or explore - that immediately limits our understanding of what the Creator is in ways in which He is not limited. He is the consciousness simultaneously expressing and simultaneously experiencing all of His infinite creative potential in an infinite creation.