04-12-2016, 12:11 AM
(03-24-2016, 01:10 PM)anagogy Wrote:(03-24-2016, 08:37 AM)Stranger Wrote:(03-23-2016, 08:36 PM)anagogy Wrote: If we are the creator, then I can't imagine why anything wouldn't be possible. [...] With enough motivation even a mighty river can be adjusted. It just requires more influence is all.
This certainly sounds plausible, but I'd like to add a few points.
1) Our access to intelligent infinity is tightly controlled until we have the wisdom to use its power responsibly and not muck things up, which we human spiritual infants are amazing at (just look at our planet - do we really want unlimited creative power at our disposal? Also known as, "you don't give a toddler a nuke").
Personally, I think that our access to intelligent infinity is only "controlled" by our ignorance of how to use it. I don't think that any force is actively restricting our ability to use it, rather, I think being a "toddler" naturally limits your ability to use it in the same way that being a toddler limits your ability to walk or run, not because it is an impossibility for them to walk or run, but they simply haven't learned the necessary discipline of how to do it (i.e. developed the muscles, developed the coordination etc.).
I believe there is a free reach for the energies of the mind/body/spirit.
(03-24-2016, 08:37 AM)Stranger Wrote: 2) This is the more important point: we are here to learn to process catalyst through Love and Acceptance. I've often wondered why the idea of "manifesting" simply felt wrong to me - the reason is that manifesting can run directly counter to love and acceptance - it can be a form of not loving and not accepting What Is. If we're using it as a form of escape from conditions we haven't loved and accepted, then we are working against our own highest good and our soul's goals. That simple.
You raise some good questions Stranger, I will attempt to clarify my point of view. I will try not to make this novel too long.
Certainly, a lack of acceptance of "what is" would equal a certain amount of resistance, but I think it is a bit more complicated than that. After all, we are not here to accept and love *all* catalyst, else if someone was dominating your mind, body, and soul the answer to dealing with it would simply be "Thanks for all the torture! More please!", and keep letting them do it. Therefore even the path of love and acceptance requires a certain degree of rejection of those ways of being that are *not* in resonance with who we really are. Another way of saying it is: you can't be love, by resonating with hate. So attempting to be love, by necessity involves a rejection of hate.
Thus I see "manifestation" as more "being true to yourself" and not disregarding your deepest core soul personality. I see it more as the process of deliberately tuning into the self that you really are. Certainly there is a negative version of manifesting which involves trying to change others (which can only be accomplished by harnessing their attention -- usually through fear or shame). That isn't something I would ever advocate. That sort of creation amounts to rejection of others -- just as not attempting to manifest your personal desires amounts to a rejection of self (I would even describe as a betrayal of self in a way -- which in its own way would be an 'unloving' and uncompassionate rejection of the catalyst of self).
So I think there is a balance to be achieved there. I don't see manifestation as wrong -- we're doing it 24/7 whether we are conscious of it or not. It is simply where we are pouring our attention. You can pour your attention into rejection of others, rejection of self, or you can pour your attention onto acceptance of others, and acceptance of self. It is not wrong to seek out certain conditions over certain other conditions. You don't have to accept all catalyst because all catalyst is not in resonance with who you really are, in the same way that the catalyst of being underwater is not in resonance with the catalyst of being a cat. It is not a part of its nature to be in resonance with that catalyst, and it is not wrong for it to desire the catalyst of land. In the same way, its okay for us to have "preferred catalyst" or preferred experiential conditions, or to seek to manifest those preferred conditions. We have natures that thrive better in certain conditions than other conditions. The cat doesn't need to learn to love the catalyst of water in order to receive the desired catalyst of land. It is enough that its attention is concentrated on land. It is designed for land, and to attempt to find resonance with water would be a rejection and denial of its own essential nature.
The only time "control" enters the picture is when attention is on unwanted, which brings it into one's experience, which then requires you to attempt to futilely "control" that unwanted thing in your experience. If it wasn't invited in in the first place by attention, there is no need to control anything. Creation is our heritage as creator.
So to summarize, it isn't controlling (unloving) to place your attention on what you want. It is the most natural thing in the world. It is love, it is appreciation. It is simply tuning into who you really are. You don't have to appreciate all catalyst, to get the catalyst you really want, you just can't be using the catalyst anymore. If your attention is on it, you're using it, which keeps it active in your experience. Tuning into desired catalyst isn't spiritual stagnation, it is spiritual progression. I don't see the spiritual lesson that you must love all catalyst, rather I see the spiritual lesson as one of coming to know yourself or to discern and understand what catalyst you prefer, or are resonant with, which you then tune to.
(03-24-2016, 08:37 AM)Stranger Wrote: So ultimately, I would say, to make the best and proper use of the experience/opportunity with which life supplies us, any "manifesting" work should be first preceded by the complete and unconditional acceptance of What Is.
But then, if we do that, we begin getting what we want/need anyway, automatically - perhaps because we have learned the lessons inherent in the catalyst by accepting it with love, and we can move on to more subtle refinements of our love with lighter lessons. God gives us exactly what we need, whatever's in our hearts is already a loud prayer and request - there is no need to work at it.
[Also perhaps we want to split this discussion into its own thread, since not everyone will be looking at a topic entitled "Masturbation"]
From my perspective, you can't actually love all catalyst unconditionally (and that is not the purpose of this spiritual game anyway -- else the negatives are doing a disservice to the creator which is not the case). Going back to my absurd cat analogy -- the cat in its present form will never achieve pure resonance with the catalyst of water (this of course is a general analogy -- not literally saying there are no cats on earth that don't enjoy water of course). In the same way, none who are positively polarized will ever achieve resonance and loving acceptance with the catalyst of child abuse, torture, and general negative STS douche baggery to the point where we will actually "love" or accept that particular catalyst. It is not who we are in our present form and we have to be true to that. So you don't tune into love by concentrating on those things born out of hate and trying to love the unlovable. Again, that catalyst is not in resonance with who we really are, and not being in resonance with that is a natural part of our present form, and one is not spiritually required to love it in order to progress. It is the metaphorical "water" to our "feline ness". Not compatible energies. So instead, you place your attention on what you can, legitimately appreciate. *That* is how we tune to unconditional love, by focusing on the aspects in resonance with who we truly, at a soul level, are. From my perspective, tuning to unconditional love is about not allowing your frequency to dip down into resonance with that catalyst that is not compatible with who we really are.
I feel like people misunderstand that to mean you have to love horrible torturous catalytic conditions, because it is a "spiritual lesson", when nothing could be further from the truth. That which is not needed simply falls away as you stop using the catalyst. It is counterproductive from my perspective to look at darkness and pretend that it is light. You stop hating because you stop looking at the "hateful", and start looking at the "loveful". When you become love, the hateful conditions cannot stay in your experience. They are not vibrationally compatible.
Thus, it is far from wrong to learn to manifest one's desired reality. From my perspective it is what this whole process is all about. To learn to vibrate as purely with who we really are as possible. This is the creator knowing itself in my opinion.
If is a process of trying to "escape" conditions then it can't work because attention is still on unwanted. You have to be moving towards what is appreciated rather than running away from what is not appreciated. One is based on love (attention to what is wanted), the other based on fear (attention to what is not wanted). We are always moving vibrationally closer to that which we appreciate.
Wow, thanks for your thoughts on Reality Creation. That's one metaphysical area that I am working on learning more about and to practice appropriately.