There isnt that much freedom it seems...and INFINITY

[Quantum]

:infinity, is infinite. there is no other case or situation. its not even left to believing. its not a matter of belief...pose your question in the thread you mean to, and i will reply. before it gets lost in the shuffle

You seem adamant in your convictions. I agree infinity is infinity. But what does that mean? Lets pick it up on your thread "There isnt that much freedom it seems...and INFINITY"

You have spoken much to the concept of Infinity. I would invite all readers interested to take but a moment to review some or all of your sentiments as written in the several links with respect to your statements on Infinity in that they bring up interesting points of contemplation. For that I thank you. But you fail to see where these sentiments place you. You run the risk of a very tenuous position which by definition places you into a corner of non-argumentative status as such. In other words, everything you argue against and everything that another suggests and argues for is in your realm by own own definition not only as plausible, but moreover as correct, this at your own hand and by your own position. Your own position as such is an untenable one incapable of being defended as much as is anothers position, or to the converse, both positions are true in an Infinite Infinity where everything exists and is possible, making participation a moot point, given that in Infinity, as you define it, everything is correct and nothing is incorrect. Therefore everyone you have debated with is as correct and no more incorrect as are you, as much as everything you have argued for is as incorrect, given the other party is more correct. Your position therefore truly is either untenable or one that argues for nihilism.

For example, if you believe in Infinity, and an Infinite Creator as such, which you admit that you do, which is capable, and in fact does and has created Infinitely anything and everything capable of being created, then you must be as willing to allow that such an Infinite Creator has not only the possibility, but the absolute wherewithal, of creating all possibilities within which in that creation there are impossibilities. If you argue against this, then you have limited Infinity as much as you have the Infinite Creator's infinite ability. Where are your restrictions to your argument. If you do not allow that the Creator has not restricted creation, or has the ability to, then you have restricted Infinity.

I can not fly in this illusion, nor may I live forever. You would argue that this is so only in this limited creation, but that I can in other infinite creations. That would be changing what I just proposed however. What I proposed was limiting the possibility in any creation as per the laws of the Infinite Creator. If the Infinite Creator as Infinity can not do this, then you have limited Infinity.

A better example would be this: There are laws and rules in 3D in order that 3D may operate within the confines and restrictions of 3D which were created by design to be restrictive . By your definition, as well as an ardent supporter of yours in your previous threads, the laws of 3D may be suspended in an infinite creation where everything and anything is possible. Extrapolating this logic out, all densities laws may be suspended in an Infinite Infinity in other creations. There are no laws as such in such creations. You and your supporter have just argued for nihilism, as much as against the purpose for creation.

It may be argued that nihilism at least operates within the confines of creation, in that nihilism at least acknowledges the existence of creation and its laws, albeit that these laws need to be overthrown. But in your world view, you must by your own definition allow that within Infinity, where all possibilities are Infinite and definitely exist, that infinity and creation itself also never happened. If so, then what we are doing is not happening, which is a total contradiction of the fact that it is. I am. I need no other proof for it than I think. Someone/something is here. If we have therefore but even one single circumstance wherein Infinity is restricted, given creation did happen, and that not all things infinitely happen, i.e. the un-creation of what already is, or the non-event of creation which already is created, then Infinity has restrictions, and moreover restrictions by design.

You certainly may not propose that in Infinity, where everything is infinitely not only "possible", but "IS," as you adamantly state it is, that the "IS" that always was, never was, as much as the "IS" that happened also didn't happen. It is an untenable position to argue. But you must do so in order to sustain your position. Your position is unsustainable. Your position is untenable.

If on the other hand you are willing but to make for but one single exception to your argument that yes, nothingness never existed, then you must also be willing to allow that the Infinity as the One Infinite Creator also is Infinitely capable, and not only capable, does/may, restrict "ITS" creation in degrees infinitely by its laws in all other creations as well. If you likewise allow for this, then you must also likewise allow for the one single possibility that in all of "ITS" creations there is/may be one single constant which IT may not allow. If you allow for this, then you must also allow that there are more than one dis-allowances. For example, it would seem that one dis-allowance would be the non-existence/inability for free-will. This would be the antithesis of "ITS" creation and individuation(s), for without free will, "IT" is just many of ITselves divided, but as one organism nonetheless. We know by the LOO that free will was one of the very first distortions, this before even creation.

Ra: I am Ra. The Law of Confusion or Free Will is utterly paramount in the workings of the infinite creation. That which is intended has as much intensity of attraction to the polar opposite as the intensity of the intention or desire.

There is no possibility within Infinity for non-free will. It is utterly paramount! Utterly paramount are not light words. Free will just is! There is no where in the universes of creations that it isn't, even in an Infinitely Infinite Infinity of unrestrictive possibilities as you make a case for.

Then can you tell me how the galaxy and planetary systems were formed?

Ra: I am Ra. You must imagine a great leap of thought in this query, for at the last query the physical, as you call, it, universes were not yet born.

The energies moved in increasingly intelligent patterns until the individualization of various energies emanating from the creative principle of intelligent infinity became such as to be co-Creators. Thus the so-called physical matter began. The concept of light is instrumental in grasping this great leap of thought as this vibrational distortion of infinity is the building block of that which is known as matter, the light being intelligent and full of energy, thus being the first distortion of intelligent infinity which was called by the creative principle.

This light of love was made to have in its occurrences of being certain characteristics, among them the infinite whole paradoxically described by the straight line, as you would call it. This paradox is responsible for the shape of the various physical illusion entities you call solar systems, galaxies, and planets of revolving and tending towards the lenticular.

Questioner: In yesterday’s material you mentioned that the first distortion was the distortion of free will. Is there a sequence, a first, second, and third distortion of the Law of One?

Ra: I am Ra. Only up to a very short point. After this point, the many-ness of distortions are equal one to another. The first distortion, free will, finds focus. This is the second distortion known to you as Logos, the Creative Principle or Love. This intelligent energy thus creates a distortion known as Light. From these three distortions come many, many hierarchies of distortions, each having its own paradoxes to be synthesized, no one being more important than another.

Free Will---> Love---> Light. These are individuations/creations/distortions throughout the Infinite Creation of Infinity where without which there is no other possibility, even within an Infinity you seemingly seem to suggest for otherwise. These are restrictions. Laws. Peter-Pan in all likelihood does not exist other than as a wonderful imaginative character and caricature between J.M. Barries ears. God is Infinite. I would argue that HIS/ITS Infinity as Creation is not, this by virtue of the fact that IT deemed to restrict same by virtue of ITS Infinite Wisdom, which we know absolutely nothing of. Thus it may be argued that GOD ITSELF has restricted ITSELF by virtue of ITS FREEWILL to allow ITS creations FREEWILL. To undo this creation/distortion of the allowance of and for freewill would undo ITS creation. Thus there are restrictions as an expression of Infinite Infinity expressing ITself, less you would argue against Infinite Infinity's ability to do so which would be tantamount to suggesting that it is not Infinite.

In closing this post, I will no doubt simply continually refer you back to it based on your responses. If you would further allow me, I would very much like to take up several more points you have additionally proposed in other posts as well. I will reiterate as stated in my last post and thread "2nd LOO Question: Creation" that your logic and interpretations are as interesting as they are intriguing, but perhaps as suggested in this post, untenable.

L/L

~ Q ~