09-30-2010, 02:49 AM
(This post was last modified: 09-30-2010, 02:56 AM by cosmoethicism.)
(09-29-2010, 08:34 AM)Ali Quadir Wrote: Thanks peelstreetguy, I had actually already seen this... I would recommend getting information from more reliable sources than american talk shows.. They like lawyers thrive on controversy. Money is to be made where truth is unclear. If the truth is clear there would be nothing to say, nothing to earn... I would not automatically assume an investigative journalist is more out to uncover the truth than to advance his own career. In these cases they consciously mislead people to get attention.
First of all one thing you should know is that even though the amount of diseases vaccinated for went up, the amount of actual toxicants for all vaccines received was reduced to a 14th of the dose in the 1980's. There have been numerous researches trying to prove a connection between vaccination and autism, they have all consistently failed to prove any link. Mercury is almost completely banned except for a variety of flu shots... You DO get more mercury from eating fish every day for a week than you get from vaccines. You get more disease vectors in your system by just going to school for a week than you get from a vaccine shot. IF the link were true we should see a steady decline in autism in the last 20 years.
The preventative function of vaccination has been proven without a doubt time and time again...
Drop vaccination in the hope that maybe you avoid autism but you're then guaranteed to be playing Russian roulette with your kids.
Measles, is highly contagious, 90% of the non immune people will get measles if they share a home with someone who has the measles. That's almost a guarantee. Of every 1000 cases 3 die, and over 100 have serious complications that require hospitalization... This is but one disease that is avoided by vaccination. The measles initiative by the united nations reduced the death toll from 900 thousand in 1999 to 160 thousand in 2008. They are going for eradication.
You guys should study the science and not trust what the television tells you. The idea that science is "the enemy" that it belongs to "the powers that be" is far removed from reality. You don't have to be a member of a secret group to be a scientist. The whole point of science is that it is open and verifiable.
Yes kids will get autism, that this is the result of vaccination is just conjecture, in spite of much research, and the people who make the claim are the people who make money from ambiguity or the people who believe them. If we do not vaccinate kids they will still get autism. There is no evidence that autism is on the rise. Just because we found a lot more cases 10 years after we invented a name for the disorder doesn't mean it suddenly appeared. The exact same thing happened for ADHD...
We do know for a fact that if we don't vaccinate many many children are going to die or get deformed by diseases that are entirely preventable.
I know without a doubt that even if vaccination played a part in autism. I would STILL vaccinate them because the alternative is much much worse and much more likely to occur. Not only that, the presence of an unvaccinated kid can in certain cases endanger the lives of kids who have not yet received their vaccination shot.
We've really been through all this before. I know your feelings. I just happen to disagree. You're all adults, do what you please the responsibility rests on your shoulders. But please don't allow the opinions of so called investigative journalists to outweigh the opinions of all scientists.
This is not good... And it is the consequence of this belief. These are the actually reported deaths and disease cases. Not incidentally reported cases of autism linked to a vaccine by a journalist. Do you see this many diseases on the news? No because it isn't sexy, and it doesn't sell. The opposite sells, especially with a few shots of Jenny McCarthy added true or not..
Please use your discernment.
(09-30-2010, 02:49 AM)cosmoethicism Wrote:(09-29-2010, 08:34 AM)Ali Quadir Wrote: Thanks peelstreetguy, I had actually already seen this... I would recommend getting information from more reliable sources than american talk shows.. They like lawyers thrive on controversy. Money is to be made where truth is unclear. If the truth is clear there would be nothing to say, nothing to earn... I would not automatically assume an investigative journalist is more out to uncover the truth than to advance his own career. In these cases they consciously mislead people to get attention.
First of all one thing you should know is that even though the amount of diseases vaccinated for went up, the amount of actual toxicants for all vaccines received was reduced to a 14th of the dose in the 1980's. There have been numerous researches trying to prove a connection between vaccination and autism, they have all consistently failed to prove any link. Mercury is almost completely banned except for a variety of flu shots... You DO get more mercury from eating fish every day for a week than you get from vaccines. You get more disease vectors in your system by just going to school for a week than you get from a vaccine shot. IF the link were true we should see a steady decline in autism in the last 20 years.
The preventative function of vaccination has been proven without a doubt time and time again...
Drop vaccination in the hope that maybe you avoid autism but you're then guaranteed to be playing Russian roulette with your kids.
Measles, is highly contagious, 90% of the non immune people will get measles if they share a home with someone who has the measles. That's almost a guarantee. Of every 1000 cases 3 die, and over 100 have serious complications that require hospitalization... This is but one disease that is avoided by vaccination. The measles initiative by the united nations reduced the death toll from 900 thousand in 1999 to 160 thousand in 2008. They are going for eradication.
You guys should study the science and not trust what the television tells you. The idea that science is "the enemy" that it belongs to "the powers that be" is far removed from reality. You don't have to be a member of a secret group to be a scientist. The whole point of science is that it is open and verifiable.
Yes kids will get autism, that this is the result of vaccination is just conjecture, in spite of much research, and the people who make the claim are the people who make money from ambiguity or the people who believe them. If we do not vaccinate kids they will still get autism. There is no evidence that autism is on the rise. Just because we found a lot more cases 10 years after we invented a name for the disorder doesn't mean it suddenly appeared. The exact same thing happened for ADHD...
We do know for a fact that if we don't vaccinate many many children are going to die or get deformed by diseases that are entirely preventable.
I know without a doubt that even if vaccination played a part in autism. I would STILL vaccinate them because the alternative is much much worse and much more likely to occur. Not only that, the presence of an unvaccinated kid can in certain cases endanger the lives of kids who have not yet received their vaccination shot.
We've really been through all this before. I know your feelings. I just happen to disagree. You're all adults, do what you please the responsibility rests on your shoulders. But please don't allow the opinions of so called investigative journalists to outweigh the opinions of all scientists.
This is not good... And it is the consequence of this belief. These are the actually reported deaths and disease cases. Not incidentally reported cases of autism linked to a vaccine by a journalist. Do you see this many diseases on the news? No because it isn't sexy, and it doesn't sell. The opposite sells, especially with a few shots of Jenny McCarthy added true or not..
Please use your discernment.
Dear Ali Quadir
Apologies before hand. I must say that I admired your resiliency and good nature trust in the systems that have alienated us for years..
Our Augustus holier than thou Scientists had too many shortcomings to list here, so do the "peer review journals" as Lancet. Will mention just one: They are controlled by the Pharma Cartel who sell the pills for this condition.
Genes are a Tabula Rasa, that is, they respond to the perceptions that are fed to them.
Even before conception, the thinking and deeds of the mates begin to influence the genes in sperm and ovum. After their coital act, the perceptions continue to play a role in both structures. In the sperm while traveling to his target and in the ovum awaiting the penetracion by the sperm.
Once the fusion is completed (conception), only the thinking of the receptive vessel (future mother) influences the genes, for 3-5 days until the fertilized egg travels towards the uterus, this influencing continues up until birth.
After the egg diggs a nest in the endometrium and starts cell multiplication and development, everything that happens to the mother is perceived by the future baby, from foods ingested, feelings, perceptions emotions, etc; all that the mother endures/enjoy is "felt" and the DNA in the future baby begins to make adjustments. This adjustments will manifest after birth.
The British (Lancet) are the pioneers in this school which says that intra uterus conditions determine what kind of person the baby will be.
So, genes do not determine anything; they are just a nicely pack compound of molecules reacting to the outside influences that the mother is exposed to during pregnancy. The physical characteristic of the baby are not in these considerations since those ones are there for physical (somatic) characteristic only.
As to ADHD is very simply that these Indigo kids with a much more improved brain than ours, do not fit in the rigid, box in systems we have today. Just think of you, a fully functional being force to use the rehab material for those who have had a stroke. You will be frustrated, annoyed and probably break some dishes.
Those kidsthat did not fit in our prehistoric system of education and they labeled the baby with that tag ADHD. Those with the tag get to "take pills" enriching furthermore the Pharma Cartel
No need to despair, there are options such as getting the kid out of the system and sending him to Rudolph Steiner or Montessoy Schools. Be careful with HRS and the county health department. This would be a beginning. if you want more info, a blog post is not suited to discuss those issues because of HIPPA Laws enacted and privacy concerns.
So, those of you with an autistic or ADHD child, rejoice in the gift you have received and thanks and praise the Creator for it. There are altrnative, please seek them