(09-28-2010, 01:58 PM)Quantum Wrote: Nothing of graduation or the mechanics thereof of any density are known to us in any detail whatsoever. We are all, by design no less, shooting in the dark. The mechanics of 6D like 1D are as completely unknown to us therefore in any greater detail whatsoever. Ra in fact spoke very little with respect to detail, inclusive of 6D and all other densities, and what they did speak of was at best in vagaries. Ra spoke at most to 3D in greatest detail as would be expected at best. If we are as sorely ignorant about our own sweet home turf of 3D, which is our better ground for theorizing (guessing), then we are clearly more lost as regards ALL other densities above us, as we are below us. All is clouded, shrouded, withheld, and a mystery with intent.
there are conflicting statements in above block.
first, you say that we dont know mechanics of graduation of any density, yet then you say that Ra spoke at length about 3d graduation.
in any case, we do know the mechanics and requirements of graduation from various densities.
1d's graduation requires the desire to progress and develop consciously, 2d graduation requires awareness of existence of a 'self' separate from others, 3d graduation requires 51% positive emissions, 4d graduation requires understanding of light, being able to use it, and a readiness to learn the dance and take on responsibility.
Quote:Having made the disclaimer therefore, one might be better served to imagine that 1D is nothing at all like 6D in the following respect as regards your statement "if its (1D) anything like 6d graduation all elements constituting a certain spirit collective would need to graduate": by your vernacular of "a certain spirit collective" I assume you to interpretively mean, speaking by Ra's vernacular, "a Social Memory Complex." It seems logical to infer that 1D is without capacity of such. A rock is a rock in 1D without the benefit of social interaction to even begin to form a Social Memory Complex which we in 3D have even yet to reach. Surely it seems logical to suggest that 1D is not capable of surpassing 3D in this respect. Therefore it seems as logical to assume the comparative analysis of 1D to 6D as a gross mis-step if one may not even do so with 3D to 6D as regards specifically "a certain spirit collective" aka "a Social Memory Complex." Wouldn't you agree?
i dont agree.
1d of this octave, is 8d of the earlier octave. like how 8d of this octave is 1d of the later octave.
there seems to be a repeating pattern in regard to evolution in octaves.
in earlier 3 densities, there is unison among entities/spirits, then in 3d they become individualized, and then individualization starts to lessen and entities start to meld into one in the last 3 densities. this is understandable from what Ra says about them, acting as one and being one, and speaking as 'i am Ra' instead of 'we are Ra'.
thus, it is highly possible that 1d exists in a state of unison and cohesion in higher cohesiveness than other densities, similar to a 8d existence, with the differentiation among 'spirit groups' or characteristics of local existences of infinite intelligence being very hardly discernable.
from unison to individualization and to unison again, in an unending cycle.
Quote:Secondly, even if one were to allow for your logic, it changes nothing with respect to the original question as regards the laggards. Whether "a rock of one", or "a rock of many as a collective consciousness," a rock may still be lagging in its use of utilizing experience efficiently such that "one rock" or "many rocks as one complex" may still nonetheless lag for billions of years. The same may be said of 6D as well in as much as one Social Memory Complex may lag longer than another in 6D, less 6D would become a vacuum in which all of 6D graduates at once and then waits to be refilled so that all may graduate at once again.
i think any kind of 'lagging behind' would not happen unless unnecessary, unwise, and detrimental 'catalyst' was introduced due the misplanning of a local logos, as in the case of this solar system.
in an ideal situation, any spirit collective would manifest in any given density as long as their situation requires it, and start to pass into the next manifestation level according to the attraction from above, and the pushing of the energy coming from below (infinite intelligence), and seamlessly transition into the next level of existence. this is the way, apparently it should be.
Quote:If the thought experimental rock lags to the extent that it and the thought experimental roach have, either for billions of years, it is by our standards extremely slow. If as you seemingly suggest, the rock has a finite schedule for being a rock of many, or one, then what replaces the rocks of many or one but more newly created rocks of many or one, less we would run out of rocks. It becomes circular. It would seem that creation continues creating.
its not like that. individualization should be increasing towards 2d. ie, the undifferentiated (from our criteria) rock consciousness of a certain rock type, would get affected and evolve and prevalent individualizations in its consciousness would get increasingly individualized, and then translate/morph or somehow get 'incarnated' into different rock forms, or, whatever object form is the closes to those individualizations' understandings.
this may probably have to be collective. since, apart from 2d and 3d, harvest of densities seem to be collective harvests. ie, the densities in which individualization increases.
then again it also may be individual, since first 3 densities seem to be densities of individualization.
in any case, eventually the collective of spirits manifesting as rock would probably pass to being increasingly organic manifestations of elements, and then manifest as viruses or cellular organisms of early 2d, starting further individualization. since we know from Ra that animals return to 'group consciousness' upon death, we can easily say a 'group collective' exists in that state.
Quote:Given my last attempt to enter into a dialog with you on your previous thread in which I ended up engaging with another participant instead without the benefit of your input, I am somewhat willing with trepidation to "shortly" tread into a discussion with you on your sentiments as regards "Infinity" as a means of lovingly rectifying what was derailed, but would request that perhaps we do so by picking it up on your previous thread to avert the risk of derailing this one. Feel free to cut my question below here and paste it there. To that end: on the one hand it seems you repeatedly suggest that all is infinitely possible within infinity. It seems at face value to hold truth. But do you truly believe this in every single infinite aspect of it?
Here we are again with your own question with respect to your own previous sentiments as regards Infinity staring you back in the mirror. Do you believe in every single aspect of what you propose? If yes, then it is a short reply. If there are exceptions, then I would be most open to hearing what they are, and as importantly how it is you would propose to restrict what you have suggested is otherwise infinite.
Looking forward to your response on your infinity thread where I will join you on what I hope will be a short discourse, rather than a circular one without end.
...L/L...
~ Q ~
infinity, is infinite. there is no other case or situation. its not even left to believing. its not a matter of belief.
i dont understand what you want me to do. you want me to reply to you in this thread ? you want me to reply to you in the other thread ? what do you want me to reply to in the first place ? just pose your question in the thread you mean to, and i will reply.
before it gets lost in the shuffle :
Quote:i have missed that. its important. it seems that you think a cockroach will ultimately become a 3d being, and then, ultimately a logos. the last part is important....so you think, entities end up becoming logoses ?
i have specifically asked this, to bring this up.
there is a possibility that, all or some totalities manifest as logoses in 8d, creating suns and experience nexuses. if this is the case, ra would eventually pass through 7d, go into 8d, and manifest as a local logos throughout part or all of 8d.