(09-22-2010, 11:42 AM)Ali Quadir Wrote: The brain and central nervous system affect the reality the individual lives in. If you don't believe it, pop some acid. Then try to explain how the CNS has nothing to do with mental functions.
You are equating basic 1d mineral consciousness to 3d consciousness. Sentience means two things, first of all it means consciousness. A rock is conscious, I agree... Secondly it means awareness.. A rock is not aware if you wave at it, it won't know. If you kiss it or hit it with a sledge hammer fragmenting it into thousand parts it won't even notice the difference.. It will change it's function of retaining converting and emitting energy by having it's mineral structure changed. But it won't actually notice. Because it is a rock!
thats a very shallow understanding of infinite intelligence.
what you call nervous system is just a mechanism that triggers the channels that open various connections to whatever spiritual influence that is associated with it in the tool that is known as brain, which is the tool of the mind for manifesting in physical realm.
it is not some separate, native thing that is exclusive to this octave's 2d and above. nothing that is experienced and felt comes outside from anything but spirit.
the physical realm, the physical creation that is created, and the individualized bodily manifestation that is provided just acts as a limiter of influences and experiences and feelings, so that they can be experienced discretely. this provides for the means to subject various portions of infinite intelligence who are needing particular influences/experiences exclusively, to experience these without being too entangled with other influences.
in short, its a limiter.
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in addition, what you call 'it is a rock !', is a higher form of manifestation that is over the 8th octave of the last density.
with your mindset, it would be easy to reduce the 8th octave of this density to the same 'base' status of 'it is a rock !' with your logic.
then, that would make the 7d entities of this octave even lesser manifestations and entities, and the 6d entities, including Ra society complex, even lesser entities than those.
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awareness and consciousness are not two separate things. they are the same.
part of infinite intelligence manifesting as the rock, is not 'unaware' of your actions, your deeds, your effect on it, if it has been otherwise, ra wouldnt be able to communicate their desire to the rocks now constituting the pyramid, and those rocks would not proceed to take on very complex shapes in perfect orientation required for manifestation of the pyramid. through that example, we know not only that a rock can be aware of things and conscious, but also you can communicate with them.
everything aside, that rock is in a closer union with infinite intelligence. it does not need a body a central nervous system, a brain to be conscious or aware of anything. those are just there to individualize and separate you from infinite intelligence, so concept of being more than one, multiple entities can be experienced and deepened.
in addition, spirit does not need a brain, a body, or individualized consciousness in order to feel, experience or be aware. spirit, is the source from which all of these come from. the source which supplies all these, the infinite intelligence, is that rock, yourself and everything else.
in short, while you are attributing base adjectives to that rock and underestimating its awareness, you are attributing base adjectives to infinite intelligence, and underestimating its awareness.
Quote:This is analogous to you.. I can shine uv light at you, and you won't know it. You are conscious, and aware, and you understand uv, but you won't know it, because you do not have the faculties to be aware of uv light.... If I did the same with visible light, you'd know instantly because you are capable of perceiving that.
Think along those lines. It's really simple and straight forward. Consciousness is not all the things that we are able to do...
Like I said, a rock has a very limited subset of our abilities.What is the point of evolution if a rock can do what a human can do?
The rock has IAM consciousness, same as you and me. A rock is able to store psychic information just like all matter, and just like you and me, memory. You can tune into this using psychic faculties. This means you can experience sadness from a rock, but this does not mean the rock is sad. The rock simply contains sadness stored there by a person able to create sadness. Mineral consciousness allows for some basic conversions of energy, this is why we use crystals for healing.
A hard drive can contain poetry, but it does not mean it understands poetry. A radio does not create music, it converts radio waves into sound. Consciousness is required for these functions. But the mind that exists in humans is neither required nor present.
There are two ways for a rock to experience higher density experiences. First by being tied into a higher density system, i.e. you put the rock in your pocket or somehow incorporate it into your body. Secondly it evolves into life over time. But it cannot generate 2d or 3d functions in it's rock stage. It simply is not evolved.
An animal can develop human like self awareness by being reasonably evolved and around humans. Or evolving all the way. Same story.
all of your analogies are wrong in that, they just approach the situation from the understanding of a 3d entity, which thinks individual awareness and experiences are something different, higher, or more precise, than collective continuous awareness and understanding.
basically you are thinking that your individualized consciousness, feelings, understanding is, for some reason, different than the unified, in-unison consciousness that is called infinite intelligence, the thing which you are also a part of.
spirit, affects, spirit. this is not only a reality, but it is also inevitable. regardless of how individualized you are, and how in-unison with infinite intelligence another entity you see in the physical manifestation around you, the spirit that is attached to an individualized unit in you is going to affect what continuous spirit individualization that is attached to those rocks manifesting in front of you.
even if there were no rocks, no physical body around, and you were in time/space, your spirit would still affect those continuous rock spirit, and vice versa.
the fact that the rock's individualization level from infinite intelligence is not as individualized as yours, would not change this simple phenomenon. spirit. it is individualized as a rock spirit that is in continuum with the infinite intelligence in that level, and you are individualized as a 3 d hominid that is seemingly separated from infinite intelligence that much.
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more than that, anything you are doing to 'that rock', you are doing to infinite intelligence.