Why I am not a vegan

[Monica]

Nobody is using you as a scapegoat.

With all due respect, these meat threads have been going on for about 4 or 5 years now, well before you were even a member. It's not just me; vegans in general are used as scapegoats by meat-eaters. It's very common.

In fact I do think this discussion is about you since you started the vegan threads

No, it isn't about me. And No, I didn't start this thread, and in fact, I didn't start most of the meat threads.

and you reject the learning opportunities you have yourself called upon at the beginging.

I suggest you read the forum guidelines. Discussions may NOT revolve around any member on a personal level without that member's permission. I don't give permission. So this conversation is over.

Something I would like you to tell me is how do you expect someone not to be in the sinkhole of indifference at all. I mean you can polarize positively on a subject like meat but there is probably infinite other subjects one can not even be aware of that he lies in the sinkhole. How does one expect not being in the sinkhole at all? How can one judge others for being in that sinkhole if one cannot perceive every possibilities for him to be in that sinkhole? I could be a vegan but there is so much people I have not helped on this planet. I have not helped anybody victims of famine, tsunami, hurricanes, war, diseases. Would becoming a vegan make me STO by default regardless of all that happening since I am born?

OK those are valid questions, on topic.

Neither I nor Diana has judged any of the meat-eaters personally. We have never said that anyone is STO/STS, or that their total, overall polarity is x% or anything of that nature. We have spoken only of the inherent characteristics of the choice to ignore or support the suffering of sentient beings.

Speaking for myself, I think that for an unawakened person to eat meat/dairy, there is probably very little polarizing going on, if at all, because they are doing something they've always done and never questioned.

But, for someone who is aware of the suffering of the sentient beings who end up as meat and who produce the dairy, by extreme suffering against their will, to ignore that suffering or, worse, continue to support it, is, in my opinion, an inherently STS act, because it is choosing one's comfort/taste/desire at the expense of another sentient being, which is the very definition of STS.

Does this mean that the person is STS oriented? It is impossible for anyone to assess the overall polarity of another. Polarity is based on many choices, on a moment-to-moment basis, and there are many opportunities to choose STO (compassion-based decisions) vs STS (self-serving decisions). Therefore it's impossible for me or anyone else to answer your question about your particular polarity.

Let's say I become a vegan, does that affect my polarity if I don't try to convince everybody else that they also should? Then it becomes: How does not doing something bring you polarization? Is that even valid? What is common ground necessary to even answer that properly? In fact only based on how I feel I can find compassion to any kind of suffering that it is animal or human. But to victimize them I would to have to dive really deep in the illusion that there are in fact other selves when there is only one.

In my opinion, that right there, that you just said, is one of the most commonly MISunderstood concepts in the Law of One (along with acceptance). Many people continue to insist that there aren't other-selves, that nothing matters, it's all illusion, etc. because "there is only One."

Yet, if that were true, then why did Ra go to such great lengths to explain polarity, the 2 paths, the density of Choice, and the concept of self/other-self?

To say that All is One does NOT negate the apparent separation of selves and other-selves. This is the apparent paradox, and understanding lies in the resolution of paradox. There is BOTH separation AND Oneness. There is BOTH distortion AND the Undistorted. True Oneness INCLUDES all that is, and that includes distortion/separation/illusion. It is an illusion that nothing matters because there is an illusion! Of course nothing matters, and of course everything matters!

Nevertheless know that on a personal level the more meat I eat the more I find it tasteless. I don't eat that much meat but what I would really have a concern getting rid off is dairy products. Is there really no way to have clean healthy biological dairy products without enslaving animals?

Yeah, I had a rough time getting off dairy too. Most people do, from what I hear. Meat was easy for me, because as soon as I made the connection, I was totally grossed out by it. But dairy is soooooo creamy and yummy, and it was easy to justify in my mind that it was only a 'byproduct' of the meat industry and therefore 'not as bad.' It was also a comfort food for me, along with wine.

What finally got me off dairy was my friend Pablisimo, with whom I had a very lengthy email conversation about our addiction to dairy. I will share it with you, with his permission.

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