Why I am not a vegan

[Minyatur]

I do commend your passion and compassion for our younger other-selves. But I also see belittling of what they truly are.

The above proceeds from an assumption only, if I understand you correctly. That animals at the soul level wish to suffer at the hands of humans for the experience and learning they desire. Is this correct? And so, any humans wanting the system which perpetuates this suffering to end (because it is not necessary to us as humans to perpetuate it in terms of survival) would be belittling the desires of the animals desiring that suffering.

What I called belittling is not viewing these animals as the Creator. To see all things as the Creator is an exercise given by Ra to accelerate growth toward the Law of One.

How you feel is well, you wish for others what you wish for yourself and that is to be well. Nothing wrong in that if done in a manner to offer this alternative where it is desired while not having expections. It being done otherwise also is well, everything is well.

If I am correct in my understanding of what you mean, I have this to say about it: 

Your conjecture is assumed. There is no way to know the desires of animal souls. That does not mean you are incorrect, just that it is a working theory only. 

I do believe everything can be known if it is desired.

To be openminded, one might consider alternative views as all things are possible in an infinite system—that the animals are trying to evolve as everything is, and the system in place on Earth, which in Ra's words is an experiment, is currently dominated by humans and those humans enslave animals against their wills. 

On Earth, when animals incarnate here (and let's assume they choose to, but that is not a given in any sense—perhaps the experiment included engineering life forms and they were put here originally and those lower life forms just keep coming back here out of habit, even at the soul level), they are subject to the domineering species—humans. So they by default must move through the system of cruelty because that's what's here. This may be how they evolve as this is the situation here, but they could just as well evolve in a kinder environment. Evolution can happen in infinite ways, and to look at one's life is to confirm this—one can learn from joy, suffering, anger, success, anything. 

That is true, my perspective is mainly based upon the idea that there is but one experiencer. As such one of the main desire of beingness is to be among other-selves in their infinite other-beingness. Ra called our experiences of free will being passed down as more vivid experiences of the Creator by the Creator. So whatever the blending there is One expeirencing Itself.

Another scenario might be that the animals, and especially certain ones such as dolphins who get caught in fishing nets not meant for them, whales who beach themselves, and all the meat animals, have agreed to suffer on our behalf so we will learn compassion. In this case, humans wanting the animal suffering to stop would be honoring their sacrifice to help us as we would have gotten the message.

I think the experience of each is foremost it's own experience. Then it also becomes a service to others (whatever the service), and ultimately the experience of self is the experience of all.

The point I am trying to make, aside from the consideration of infinite possibilities in any theory, is this: To boil this whole issue down to the idea that this is what the animals want is a very limited view. And the bigger concept of the OIC (I use this term in deference to the material this site is based on) experiencing manyness and so everything is perfect, is not a well-thought-out idea within this context and sounds only like words to me. There is much to consider and we are extremely limited in understanding here, and as we evolve the spiral of understanding will grow. So to be so sure that we just go along happily doing everything and anything to experience manyness is the cop out to me. It isn't taking responsibility for one's own actions, because the actions are predicated upon someone(thing) else's mandate. Although we may all be one, that does not mean we are the one, or that we only do what the one wants. Why else would we have developed brains, emotions, and wisdom?

In the idea of a OIC, it cannot take anything from outside itself, it can only create inwardly within itself with itself. This was expressed in the very first session of the Ra material as to why in a OIC there can only be unity although in a different manner.

And even if you are correct that animals choose this suffering and desire it, how can it be belittling for an individual with an open heart to more than humans to desire a kinder existence for animals? If the situation was starvation in the world, wanting world hunger to end would not stop souls from experiencing starvation.

What I considered as belittling was to not view them as the Creator. They are not just animals and they have a whole infinity to discover differently than how we discovered it. Their path does shine bright.

It's fine that there are those who just want to "be" with what is. But it seems to me to be a judgment toward others who strive to consciously evolve, to say that in wanting a kinder more loving existence with all life forms, they are belittling the other life forms' existence or desires.

As said above and at first in this post, this was not what I considered belittling.

Each can only work from their distortions, this applies also outside of 3D as identity is just distortions. Acting on how you feel is fine and well and even your role, I doubt anyone in this thread is exempt from this.