(09-09-2010, 12:17 PM)Quantum Wrote:(09-08-2010, 03:52 PM)Quantum Wrote: unity100 indeed makes very many compelling arguments for Infinity for which we owe him gratitude. Credit where credit is due. These are not at issue however. Its the ones that are contrary and openly so that I address.monica Wrote:I disagree that his points are contrary to the Law of One. I happen to agree with many (though not all) of his points.To dispense with the point quickly, do you agree that Infinity was never unaware, contrary to what Ra teaches?
Do you agree that Infinity, to be infinity as unity100 states infinity is, that it must have also always been aware?
first of all, ra says they do not want to be bringers of unchanging dogma. this means that, since they state that they are also learning, what they dispense to us are not necessarily unchanging truth, or free of mistakes.
ra has had to do a lot to clean up the aftereffects of the egypt experiment. it would be disservice to them to elevate and honor them to the status of gods bringing unchanging dogma.
second, ra says 'infinity became aware'. for infinity to become aware, infinity would need to be unaware 'before'.
in my perspective, infinity would not become anyhting, would not change its nature, situation, at any given point. infinity would be aware, and unaware, at all times, if one looks from this awareness point. because infinity is infinity, it needs to be everything at all times.
anything that is not infinity, need to be subsets of it. therefore, 'infinity becoming aware' would mean that, in my understanding, there has occurred (actually always were) a subset of infinity, which is only differentiated from infinity by the means of being aware.
ie, this, the intelligent infinity, is what many call god. yet, it is still not infinity, because it is differentiated from infinity by being aware, and henceforth, lacking something, which is probably the complementing counterpart of the concept 'awareness', and therefore, it is able to experience octaves, create and experience.
Quote:Peter Pan didn't exist, even though I loved him as a child. I don't even know how to have a rational conversation about the fact that he might have?
peter pan exists 'somewhere, sometime' in infinity. else, infinity cant be infinity, for existence of peter pan, now a concept and possibility that is even perceived by an existing entity (you), has to be real, for infinity to be comprised of everything known and unknown and its counterparts. you, then, are manifesting in a universe that lacks the 'existence' of peter pan. there is a universe, or, some other kind of reality in infinity, in which 'existence of peter pan' is contained.
Quote:But do you agree that there are laws and rules created by the Logos? If so it rather naturally answers the point.
laws and rules that are set by the logos of this universe apply to this universe. moreover, all sub logoi of this sub logoi of this universe also set various derivative rules. this is what we learn from Ra.
that means, there are innumerable laws and rules governing innumerable universes, existences, realities. because even the central sun of this universe (the manifesting part of the logos of this universe) is just a sub logoi of infinite intelligence.
Quote:I may think (believe) it is quite alright to behave in certain STS ways and yet still graduate into STO would fly in the face of those rules which govern STO protocol.
that would fly in the face of the rules that govern sto protocol in this universe. that would not fly in the face of rules that govern sto protocol in another universe. that would be even irrelevant, for manifestation and rules in regard to some other universe or reality.
Quote:Same question as above so that we may move through this to resolve it:" Do you/do we know that Ra stated unequivocally that Infinity was at one time unaware? Yes or No? unity100 states otherwise.
we know that infinity was 'at one time' unaware. ra's answer to 'what was the first thing in existence' by don, while explaining the creation, tells us that. ra says, 'there was infinity. infinity became aware'. then moves on to tell us the infinite intelligence, and then infinite energy and the logoi that occur as a result and subset of infinite energy.
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Quote:13.5 Questioner: Thank you. Can you tell me of the first known thing in the creation?
Ra: I am Ra. The first known thing in the creation is infinity. The infinity is creation.
Category: Cosmology
13.6 Questioner: From this infinity then must come what we experience as creation. What was the next step or the next evolvement?
Ra: I am Ra. Infinity became aware. This was the next step.
Category: Cosmology
13.7 Questioner: After this, what came next?
Ra: I am Ra. Awareness led to the focus of infinity into infinite energy. You have called this by various vibrational sound complexes, the most common to your ears being “Logos” or “Love.” The Creator is the focusing of infinity as an aware or conscious principle called by us as closely as we can create understanding/learning in your language, intelligent infinity.
technically, when 'infinity becomes aware', it would be actually not infinite that became aware, but, we, as the 'aware' parts of infinity, the deviations from infinity, have started being aware, ie having the distortion of awareness. therefore, our perception and understanding starts from that point, we became aware, as the aware part of the infinity. we could feel like we became aware, and infinity was not aware before, but actually, in regard to infinity, situation wouldnt change. 1-2 levels above us, infinity would still be both aware, and unaware, (and whatever complements these all in infinite variations), unchanged and everchanging, just as it was at any instant.