10-01-2015, 02:43 AM
(This post was last modified: 10-01-2015, 02:56 AM by APeacefulWarrior.)
(10-01-2015, 01:41 AM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote: So it seems that given any situation, we are simultaneously in three conditions. The incarnate self, the Higher Self, and the one Creator. That is the true reality, vibrationally speaking. Perceptually, we experience different degrees of it.
I guess the issue is that it is only ignorance which is preventing a fuller experience of all 3 simultaneous states. And Nirsagadtta also stressed that all sages are flawed in unique and human ways, referencing the incarnate personality which is still evolving.
My mind is still struggling with the notion of concurrent states. I think that's the primary issue here. There is some conceptual (self-limiting block/belief pattern) in place.
I actually have thoughts very similar to these, in terms of the nature of reality being a triptych, at least in regards to 3rd Density experience. People are constantly trying to discover what the "true nature" of a thing (or themselves) is, but I think that requires at least a three-pronged approach. Roughly speaking, I would break these down as:
1 - The thing unto itself, how it appears in isolation, or in the case of self-aware entities, their self-perception.
2 - The thing as gestalt, an emergent result of the smaller sub-components and experiences that make it up.
3 - The thing as sub-component, taking into account how it affects and adds to other things in its environment.
So, a particular man might define himself in terms of his political or spiritual beliefs, while also being the cumulative result of the energetic interactions (atoms, chemicals, etc) that result in his mind/spirit/body complex, which then go on to be one component of a larger "corporate" body, such as his business or his family. These are ALL aspects of the man's "true self," and no one aspect could be rationally given supremacy over the others. Which is most relevent at any given time just depends on what point of view one is deploying.
(Which is to say, a doctor examining the man would be largely concerned with him as gestalt, whereas a business investor would only consider the man in terms of being a contributing subcomponent of his workplace as a whole.)
And of course, this would be true for everything, not just people. Anything could be analyzed in such a way.
I've also gotten hints/whispers from my higher selves that while I'm on the right path, a five-sided view would be even more productive. But I've so far been unable to concretely pin down what the fourth and fifth "dimensions" might be in a way I find satisfying. Perhaps one has to have a 5D view to really understand those arrangements. I strongly suspect, at least, I'm distorted in lumping mind and body together in #1, but it's convenient for a 3rd Density perspective.
Either way, seeing as most humans seem to tend towards a dualistic either/or view on things, such a view would help explain why it's so hard for people to pin down what "is" is, don't you think?