(09-23-2015, 07:47 PM)Monica Wrote:(09-23-2015, 07:30 PM)Elros Tar-Minyatur Wrote: I do not have strong desires for meat nor do I think it is necessary for my body.
Then I cannot comprehend why you'd want to do something that came from suffering and death, for No good reason.
Because I do accept it's provenance without feeling repulsion as you do.
(09-23-2015, 07:47 PM)Monica Wrote:(09-23-2015, 07:30 PM)Elros Tar-Minyatur Wrote: I consider my means indirect whether they give small contributions to the industry or not, if this earth was different I would not make any effort to eat meat as I have no strong desire toward it. I see no value in myself being vegan as of now and do not think it'd create anything positive. I do not think it'd save the life of any animals either although with a small possibly. In my ways I have no feeling of infringing upon free will, so I'd hardly consider my ways as polarizing negatively.
You won't make a difference. Not today. Not tomorrow. Probably Not next week either.
BUT, collectively, the more of us who go vegan DO make a difference. We DO have an impact on the industry! This is proven. Meat consumption has dropped dramatically. One national news article said that meat consumption has plummeted and this is directly due to raised awareness by vegans in addition to the medical research showing the obvious health benefits of a plant-based diet.
So, respectfully, you are simply mistaken that your choice means nothing and doesn't have any impact. Why do you belittle your contribution? Each person has value. YOU have value!
The power is in the collective. We each contribute to the consensual reality.
In addition to direct supply and demand, which is standard in any industry and cannot be denied, you also have value in the choices you make, in terms of consciousness feeding into the collective consciousness. We live in a holographic universe, and each person - including YOU - does have an impact on the reality we are creating. Not just on a physical level, but on an energetic level.
I'm not a collective person, I dont vote either. As I said I do accept the system and feel no desire to change it otherwise.
(09-23-2015, 07:47 PM)Monica Wrote:(09-23-2015, 07:30 PM)Elros Tar-Minyatur Wrote: Anything can be done by a STO-oriented entity as long as it perceives it in love.
Anything? So a pedophile can 'love' his victim and still polarize STO? Well that's great news for pedophiles. They often say that they 'love' little children.
I do not resonate with pedophily but can comprehend that there is most likely much surrow and struggle for the pedophiles themselves in regards to their programming and the mirror they are given by society.
(09-23-2015, 07:47 PM)Monica Wrote:(09-23-2015, 07:30 PM)Elros Tar-Minyatur Wrote: Polarity exists in intent and not action
Why do you leave out action? Of course intent is important. But that doesn't mean that action - choice - has No importance. Both are important.
Action is not left out, it is seen through the intent by self. Leaving action out is a way to say that one action can have various motives behind it, it is something that is easily oversable within society.
(09-23-2015, 07:47 PM)Monica Wrote:(09-23-2015, 07:30 PM)Elros Tar-Minyatur Wrote: and evolution of awareness brings us to reunite both polarities into one. Ra calls it STO, but to move beyond it requires a STO that integrates into itself negative wisdom and that is able to see the beauty in it.
The concept of 'beyond polarity' is often confused with the sinkhole of indifference. One must first get past the sinkhole of indifference and choose a polarity before one can go beyond polarity.
There is also refinement of what polarity means, beyond polarity means that any action is understood as serving self and other-selves. That is not something doable interely nor completely unconditionally at our level of existence, but it is something that is ever refined more and more throughout evolution.
(09-23-2015, 07:47 PM)Monica Wrote:(09-23-2015, 07:30 PM)Elros Tar-Minyatur Wrote: I do not believe the earth to be STS when an earthquake arrives or anything similar, I believe the earth provides what is needed whatever the color it comes in. So to answer your question, I do believe destruction can be offered in love, and I do believe it is one lesson that is to be learned by all.
So do you think those billions of animals are being raped/tortured/destroyed in love?
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I do believe that love is the force which brings them to create this reality around them so that they can experience what they need to experience, that any STS act done to them by any entity is a service and answer to their soul needs, which are complementary to the "agent of fate"'s own needs. Those that need to meet under their cistumstances do meet under their circumstances. There is no way to hurt others without hurting self, that I do believe to be true even if it is not seen nor experienced in the present moment. Every STS act will come to be regretted, but beyond regret lies acceptance of each and every of one's acts and others' acts as love is seen in them.
I do believe pain to be a valuable experience as it cannot be understood without being experienced. It can be experienced in as many ways as there are different fates. I can love and feel compassion for those who walk a path filled with pain but that does not mean I believe their experience needs to be otherwise. I also do believe each and every entity that goes through this experience (or any other) will come to accept it as rightfully part of it's path and would not want it to be any other way.