(09-22-2015, 02:39 PM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote: Monica, politely, that wasn't his point. The way he means it is a bit transcendent of either path in terms of meaning or importance. He's doing what the paths ultimately both lead to. Service to self in the service to self path is still a service to others occurrence in ways in a mirrored way to what he just said as well.
It's easy to misinterpret typed words. Doubly easy when those words have multiple meanings. Service to Self can be a generic term, or it can refer to the name of a path...an orientation of polarity.
Maybe your interpretation of what he intended is correct...maybe not. I didn't want to assume that my interpretation was correct, so I asked him to clarify.
(09-22-2015, 02:39 PM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote: May I also, politely, mention that his remarks on death and rebirth were not very bleak in my view. May I suggest that you reconsider your perception of his post? He speaks of life and death, and I do agree with him. Animal life dies. Plant life dies. There is suffering regardless. One is just more evolved suffering.
Thank you for your polite request.

OK, I reconsidered.
I still find them bleak, sorry. The idea of an entire planet blanketed with plant life, and ALL that plant life in constant agony, seems extremely bleak to me. It's bad enough that wildlife are all prey for other wildlife, but at least they have a good life before stepping in a hole, getting injured, and then being too slow to keep up with the herd so they become dinner for a pack of wolves. A good life ending in violence...that's bad enough. I already don't like the design of this planet in regards to animals killing other animals.
But now, you're asking me to consider that each individual blade of grass also suffers horribly, not just once, but throughout its entire life, being that grass gets stepped on repeatedly, then eaten but grows back repeatedly...
Not only is it bleak, it's morbid and sadistic!
Wolves killing the old, the weak, the injured of the herd makes sense. There's a certain mercy built into the system. The weak, the old, the injured...those are the ones most often killed by the predators. Perhaps the Logos decided that this was preferable to starvation. I can wrap my mind around that.
But the idea of every blade of grass and every lettuce leaf living in constant agony...that would indicate that our Logos is very sadistic indeed!
I don't buy it. Plants are physiologically very different. There is a reason they don't have an elaborate nervous system and pain receptors like higher 2D life (animals) and humans. There is a reason why they aren't mobile. They don't need to be. There's a reason they grow back after getting leaves torn off, whereas cows don't grow back legs.
Animals are more like humans than they are like carrots. That is simple observation.
(09-22-2015, 02:39 PM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote: It's funny you say it takes a month to detox. It took me two weeks being non-vegan drinking a gallon of lemon-lime infused water (not even with cucumber) a day with 4 heaping tablespoons of hemp seeds in the morning to fully detox. Detoxing feels good actually, it can feel heavy and hard the first few days but then suddenly you're invigorated and full of energy like some kind of clog in your energy system has been removed.
It really depends on the person and how much accumulation they have.
(09-22-2015, 02:39 PM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote: But some take the suffering of that meat and transmute it with love given to those who suffered. Eating meat is a service.
That's like saying the rapist takes the suffering of his victim and transmutes it with love. Why even rape in the first place? Don't rape and then you won't have anything to transmute.
(09-22-2015, 02:39 PM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote: 3D is a painful density for many. You can't end all the suffering...Sadly.
No, we can't. But we can choose to quit participating in it.
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