08-27-2015, 01:22 PM
(08-26-2015, 11:43 PM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote: Your orientation is STO?
This argument sounds very fear based, ignores another's opinion and even judges them as wrong.
You're right, this forum isn't STO oriented, and you're part of that... Read your posts only imagine you're us.
Believe it or not, the Italics in your quote might be true in some ways. You just choose not to believe it.
Nothing wrong with that.
But don't defend yourself as STO, it gives those who actually are in a general sense a bad name.
You're like an Orion Crusader, DON'T EAT MEAT OR ELSE YOU'RE A MONSTER, YOU'LL DEPOLARIZE, OR ELSE
Why won't you use STO concepts and accept that not every one chooses the path you have but many similar paths exist? Why are you acting this way?
You remind me of me Monica. Just please stop and consider that we're trying to help you understand from our perspectives, and you grossly ignore them for your own then call us not STO then spout to be STO.
My dear TP, this tirade on Monica is an example how she (and others discussing this subject from the point of view of vegetarian or vegan) is maligned for things that simply aren't true. Try and understand the following:
1. We are all discussing, not converting or pushing anyone into changing. If you can see things this way, that this is only a discussion, it will change the perception that Monica or anyone else is acting in any way that violates anyone's free will.
2. Can we allow that we all want honesty here? Some vegetarians or vegans may be totally okay with others eating meat, and this will have degrees of concern all the way to activists giving their lives to the service of freeing animals from this tortuous system. While in this discussion, I wouldn't expect anyone to pretend they think meat eating is okay if they feel otherwise. That they may state this here does not in any way infringe upon anyone's free will. It is only that person's opinion, just as some have opinions here that B4 is not run well. That doesn't mean the admin's free will is being infringed upon.
3. The emphasis, ironically, is put on human free will from the point of view of many. Nothing WRONG with that. But can you imagine that some might see things in a different way? That the free will of humans is no more important than the free will (realizing that it may be different in nature) of other species? In this context, and given that this is a DISCUSSION not an inquisition, can you allow these differences of opinion io be voiced and not treated as controlling?
4. Why not assume the best of everyone, rather than the worst? Why not believe Monica or anyone else here and trust what they say? What does anyone have to lose by doing this?
5. When I feel the urge to point the finger, that is a clue to me that I should look within. I have made this a practice and it is very helpful. I ask myself why I am triggered. I try to observe the situation dispassionately from the point of view of an objective observer. This is a very volatile subject, which suggests that it is GOOD we are exploring a catalysts with such a loud voice, beckoning us to see what is going on.
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