[split] "Some people eat animals, some don't."

[Minyatur]

You are talking apples and oranges here. Those 2 concepts aren't mutually exclusive.

Of course everything is chosen by the soul, on some level. But that isn't the same as what is consciously chosen, at the personality level.

Every rape victim chooses to be raped, on a soul level. But No woman ever consciously chooses to be raped, see?

Jesus did both. He chose to be a sacrifice on a soul level, but he also chose it consciously as well. Rape victims don't do it consciously. Neither do animals. Sure, on a soul level, but No, not on a conscious level. You can see this by simply observing them as they struggle to get away, just as any human would struggle to get away from a killer.

Of course, else the experience would not be. I do not think they are two separate concepts, more that one of them transcends the other.

On a higher level the Creator wants to know Himself, on a lower level He keeps regretting it day after day in infinite ways.

My main concern about you Monica in this thread, is that you reject the slaughtered animal's experience as part of their path.

No I don't. And I don't see how you can still say that, after we've gone round and round on that point countless times.

I will say it once more: Of course it's part of their path. It's part of everyone's path, whatever they experience. That isn't the point.

The point is whether it's our task to participate. Is it our task to be the murderer, the rapist? Try your logic on a human victim. Can you argue that it's ok for any of us to just go willy-nilly raping and killing people?

Of course not. Not unless one is STS, that is. STO entities don't go around raping and murdering.

Not humans anyway. They know that isn't congruent with the STO path.

But they do it to their younger other-selves, willy-nilly, every single day, and then they try to justify it with their speciesism.

My argument here is that to be part of Unity (in awareness... as we're ever part of Unity), one needs to become that which selflessly provide what is required whatever that is. The earth spit fires and shakes it's ground just as it gives everything needed to support life.

About STO entities, they also do incarnate here on earth so that they may experience themselves STS behaviors first hand to help them grow further from their current limits in blending with the All. That they may come to love what they are not yet able to love, or they could also dwell in their distorted awareness of the All without furthering their evolution for the whole of eternity.

Well fine then. Go ahead and rape and murder some little girls then. Why not? It all comes out in the wash.

I feel not called to do these things but am aware I also am every single person that ever did under the circumstances that created such events.

About 2D callings, it is true that 2D entities can create calls. It is false to think that a calling implies that it needs to be answered.

LOL!!!!

Yep, that's pretty much half of what the evolution we are exploring is about. The whole point of polarity to begin with.

Denial is a service which is equally sought by souls on a much higher level as an experience in their path. In term of resonance, a call that needs to be denied will fall upon deaf hears whereas a call that needs to be answered will be heard by what can answer it. No coincidences, just always the exact right resonance.

So saith the one who can hear just fine but chooses to feign deafness.

The only thing that bring these calls to myself is you and you've yet succeeded to make me feel resistance toward it. If you ever do, I do look forward to it.

You can disagree with what I have said, but in my opinion an inevitable part of your path will be to acknowledge that this kind of services are equally perceived as STO when seen beyond a limited and paradoxal awareness of them. Unity is ever present, you not perceiving Love nor Unity simply reflects your own paradoxes to work upon. The comparison that Aion has made with Jesus as that of the martyr, is in my view awareness that suffering is always a chosen experience and that other-selves that provide this service exist for that purpose as they are required.

Everything simulatenously creates everything else it's path is interwined with, and we are simply the moving awareness or observer of it all happening.

Oh blah blah. Whatever.

Blah blah, whatever.. we're but one sick Logos exploring the crap he can do to himself as all of us.