[split] "Some people eat animals, some don't."

[Monica]

No, not like Jesus at all. Jesus gave himself willingly. He chose to sacrifice himself.

The animals aren't consciously choosing to sacrifice themselves. It is being forced upon them. That is a very BIG difference.

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There I disagree strongly. From the perspective of a 2D entity of course, as it is the whole point of the experience. On a soul level though, I do believe it is definitely a chosen experience as part of one's path. I do believe every suffering is willingly chosen by the Creator as a mean to know Himself, none not being a sacrifice of experiencing suffering for that purpose. Perhaps that is not seen until very far down one's path, but it ever will always be understood at one point.

You are talking apples and oranges here. Those 2 concepts aren't mutually exclusive.

Of course everything is chosen by the soul, on some level. But that isn't the same as what is consciously chosen, at the personality level.

Every rape victim chooses to be raped, on a soul level. But No woman ever consciously chooses to be raped, see?

Jesus did both. He chose to be a sacrifice on a soul level, but he also chose it consciously as well. Rape victims don't do it consciously. Neither do animals. Sure, on a soul level, but No, not on a conscious level. You can see this by simply observing them as they struggle to get away, just as any human would struggle to get away from a killer.

My main concern about you Monica in this thread, is that you reject the slaughtered animal's experience as part of their path.

No I don't. And I don't see how you can still say that, after we've gone round and round on that point countless times.

I will say it once more: Of course it's part of their path. It's part of everyone's path, whatever they experience. That isn't the point.

The point is whether it's our task to participate. Is it our task to be the murderer, the rapist? Try your logic on a human victim. Can you argue that it's ok for any of us to just go willy-nilly raping and killing people?

Of course not. Not unless one is STS, that is. STO entities don't go around raping and murdering.

Not humans anyway. They know that isn't congruent with the STO path.

But they do it to their younger other-selves, willy-nilly, every single day, and then they try to justify it with their speciesism.

Deeming they are not meant to be, as it is a service you wish not to see provided nor provide yourself. STS always is STO, a STS entity is simply one that knows not that it's way of being equally exists for everything it will ever interact with. I already said this but the concept of polarities being separated from one another simply works because of the level of awareness of the entities experiencing them. STS and STO are both services toward growth for self and other-selves, which is the purpose of the infinite evolution of consciousness.

Well fine then. Go ahead and rape and murder some little girls then. Why not? It all comes out in the wash.

About 2D callings, it is true that 2D entities can create calls. It is false to think that a calling implies that it needs to be answered.

LOL!!!!

Denial is a service which is equally sought by souls on a much higher level as an experience in their path. In term of resonance, a call that needs to be denied will fall upon deaf hears whereas a call that needs to be answered will be heard by what can answer it. No coincidences, just always the exact right resonance.

So saith the one who can hear just fine but chooses to feign deafness.

You can disagree with what I have said, but in my opinion an inevitable part of your path will be to acknowledge that this kind of services are equally perceived as STO when seen beyond a limited and paradoxal awareness of them. Unity is ever present, you not perceiving Love nor Unity simply reflects your own paradoxes to work upon. The comparison that Aion has made with Jesus as that of the martyr, is in my view awareness that suffering is always a chosen experience and that other-selves that provide this service exist for that purpose as they are required.

Everything simulatenously creates everything else it's path is interwined with, and we are simply the moving awareness or observer of it all happening.

Oh blah blah. Whatever.

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