There isnt that much freedom it seems...and INFINITY

[βαθμιαίος]

the basis of Ra's message with this material for this particular space/time continuum of this planet is, 'everything is one because there is one infinity'.

The basic teaching also includes the concepts that you are infinity and that the universe is holographic.

an infinite creator being within US, as in us all, would mean that we all together constitute infinity. in that way, it would be true and valid.

The infinite Creator is within each of us individually, and each of us individually constitutes infinity. I know it's hard to wrap your mind around, but Ra said that all begins and ends in mystery.

however, your meaning and approach is, 'because i have infinite creator within me, i am infinity'. which becomes wrong, because there are other entities than you in the infinity, manifesting as separate entities. since you dont contain the bird flying outside your window within you at this moment, it means that you do not contain the infinity outside you, illusory, or not.

You do contain the bird, and the bird does contain you. That's the point. The illusion is that you're two separate entities.

else, the bird outside would be able to contain infinity inside in and out, and there would be no point to anything existing but that bird. that can be repeated for any separately manifesting entity.

The bird does contain infinity. The point is to explore many-ness.

therefore, infinity couldnt explore anything, because, it is already the thing to be explored, the explorer, and the state of exploredness before that exploration can even happen.

Not necessarily. Infinite means endless, it doesn't mean immutable. Infinity doesn't know what it will do when it meets itself, which is why it is free to explore in an infinite present.

this is why it cannot explore anything.

Don't you think it's ironic that one the one hand you insist that you are finite with, presumably, a finite mind, and on the other hand you claim to know exactly what infinity is and what it can and can't do?

Infinity is all that exists. Logically, it has to be. This means that in reality there is only one thing: infinity/unity. The paradox at the heart of Ra's teaching is that each seemingly separate entity actually contains the entirety of that infinity/unity. That means that when you and I discuss, it's actually the Creator discussing with Itself.

'existence' is even itself a concept within infinity. you are still fixed on conceptualizing and analyzing existing things, apparently.

Are you disagreeing that infinity is all that there is?

the concept which we know as existence, is one of the infinite number of concepts within infinity. infinity means that, there are other concepts than 'existing', in regard to the existing entity, would be present in infinity.

You missed the point, which is "the paradox at the heart of Ra's teaching is that each seemingly separate entity actually contains the entirety of that infinity/unity."

what you call as 'creator', even itself, is an entity/concept within the infinity. the reason it is able to experience, explore, is this. it is because it isnt infinite, by being intelligent, differentiated from infinity.

Are you saying that the infinite Creator is not infinite? That just seems silly. Intelligent Infinity is not a subset of infinity. Infinity became aware. It is now intelligent.

The point that you're missing is that they say "there is no end to your selves." No end = infinite.

that is a hollow justification and a narrow analysis.

being no end to oneself in regard to time and space does not mean the entity is infinity in its entirety.

There was no mention of time and space in what I wrote. No end to yourselves, period.

had it been otherwise, we wouldnt go through octaves, change, manifest, and become limited even if 'illusorily'. yet we are. that means, even if our existence, and probably inner world and future outer world and manifestation is infinite, (and it is), we are still not infinity itself, not in any given time/space, even in 100 octaves later.

Actually, we are infinity itself, right now, and yet we do go through octaves, etc.

an infinite amount of illusion means infinity spent in illusion. it makes what you call illusion, a part of manifestation towards infinite time. it means, at an infinite time into the future, you will still be experiencing something what you choose to dub as 'illusion'. yet, even if you dub it illusion or not, it is going to be a part of your existence towards eternity.

Time is also an illusion. In truth, there is only infinity and there is only the present.

opening a door to something does not make the entrant the thing door opens to. it may lead to an understanding, realization of the thing, or, it may lead to a unification with that thing, acting as one, yet, it does not make either the door or the entrant the thing the door opened to.

The reason you can open that door is that the infinity is within.

faith, trust, and acting in perfect harmony and conjunction as co creator with infinite intelligence, does not make one infinite intelligence. it makes the entity one, harmonious, synchronous with it.

You already are infinite intelligence. Faith allows you to access your true nature.

Ra has made extravagant promises. It seems like you don't quite dare to trust those promises, and you are clinging to your logic to convince you that what Ra promised isn't really possible. Like all logic, though, yours is dependent on the accuracy of the initial assumptions. In this case, you go awry by neglecting the points that 1) you are infinity and 2) the universe is holographic.

What is illusion? Can illusion be defined?

In the context of Ra's teachings, it's anything that is not "the one undifferentiated intelligent infinity, unpolarized, full and whole." In particular, it's anything that's part of the various systems of "illusory natural laws," ie stars, planets, plants, animals, etc. Anything that seems to be other than the One.

Forgive me if I sound confused or coy, but are we speaking "Unity100 Philosophy" or "The LOO and Ra Teachings?" "The Law of One blinks neither at the light nor the darkness," not " the laws of balance blink to neither side." Unity, I am not being pedantic when I suggest that these misquotes and misunderstandings are no small points on your part. They distort the LOO teachings if left unchecked as much as derail the conversations. If we wish to challenge the Ra Material or question it, perhaps we may do so more openly on a separate thread rather than mixing terms and confusing dialogues as though they were Ra statements. This method would be far more elegant, open, and on the table, so to speak, given that you openly and honestly state, for which I commend you (see below):

i have no problems in disagreeing with Ra.

Thank you for this, Quantum. I agree.