(08-02-2015, 02:42 AM)Aion Wrote: If eating meat is inherently STS (do you still believe that?)
Yes I do. Just as enslavement, dominating another being, infringing upon their free will, murder, rape, war, etc. are all inherently STS behaviors.
What I mean by that is that those behaviors offer ways for the initiator of said behaviors to polarize STS.
(Notice the key word initiator.)
At the same time, those actions also offer to the STO entity an opportunity to polarize in either direction, depending on their response to catalyst.
For example: Person A rapes and murders Person B. Person B now has a choice as to how they will respond. If Person B becomes embittered, and seeks revenge, and perpetuates the cycle of violence and hate, then they are now polarizing in the direction of STS. If, however, Person B chooses forgiveness, then they break the cycle of karma and polarize in the direction of STO. It can go either way.
Likewise, Person A might change their direction of polarity any time. They might go to prison and spend their time there reflecting and making amends, and thus start moving in the direction of STO. Or, they might continue to move deeper in the direction of controlling and harming others, thus continuing their progression in the direction of STS.
Both polarities have their purpose in the Grand Design. Both serve the Creator. But in terms of polarizing potential, they have different attributes.
The US judicial system, and American society in general, is biased towards STO. Harming others is frowned up. Murderers are locked up and generally considered scumbags. If someone witnesses a crime, they are considered a hero if they stop the crime and rescue the victim. If they ignore the cries of the victim and go on their merry way, they can be prosecuted for 'criminal negligence' and/or 'callous disregard' in a court of law. The system has its flaws of course, and is subject to corruption, but it's all structured with an STO bias, and any corruption is considered bad.
That pretty much sums it up. The only difference is that I am saying these principles apply to all sentient creatures, Not just humans.
We might not know for sure whether they are sentient, but I contend that having a face (implying the capacity to perceive one's reality from an individual perspective), a nervous system, and pain receptors are pretty good clues that they are either sentient or at least in the process of becoming sentient.
(08-02-2015, 02:42 AM)Aion Wrote: AND has karmic repercussions, whyyy would Ra still suggest to Carla to eat meat without any mention of these apparent consequences? Why would they suggest something that she would clearly realize is harmful to other beings?
Ra never gave advice unless explicitly asked, and even then, sometimes refused to answer questions directly. My speculation is that Ra knew that Carla had not yet awakened to the reality of animal suffering. She considered eating meat to be normal, and likely had not even questioned it at that time. Ra accepted her where she was at and didn't intrude in her unfolding process.
Had Don asked an entirely different question, such as "How does unnecessarily and callously killing a late 2D entity affect one's polarity?" then Ra would have given a completely different answer, surely.
But Don never asked that. Neither Don nor Carla ever even thought to ask such a question, most likely, or they would have asked it. Apparently, eating meat was 'normal' to them and wasn't something that was even being questioned yet.
Jim told me on the radio show that he was feeling inclined to move towards being a vegetarian. I don't know whether he followed through or not, but the point is that he told me that about 3 years ago - some 30 years after the Ra sessions! Maybe if they were communicating with Ra now, they would ask different questions. But the Material is based on what they thought to ask 35 years ago.
(08-02-2015, 02:42 AM)Aion Wrote: Not even just suggesting to do it once, but 'occasionally' in order to help keep her vital energy up. If it was so inherently negative why wouldn't Ra mention any of those consequences after or during their suggestion? It just doesn't add up to me. They do not express any of this emotional content that you are putting in to it. (Not saying that's wrong, just a difference I noticed.)
Why would Ra suggest to Carla to 'occasionally' not be STO?
Inherently doesn't mean that it's the same in each case. It means that it has a certain tendency or predisposition. Killing someone in a war is inherently STS too, and yet Ra explained that, in some cases, the soldier might polarize STO because he killed the other person in order to save his comrades, or because he truly believed that he was serving his country. On the other hand, if that man joined the infantry because he enjoyed killing people, and was using the military as an excuse to legally kill, then his actions would have the opposite effect. Intentions do play a role in determining the effect in terms of polarizing; ie. which direction the polarizing goes in.
Nevertheless, there is still an inherent predisposition towards STS, in the killing of an other being. In other words, it's easier to polarize STS than STO, with that particular action. The person would have to have a mighty strong intention to serve others, to override that predisposition. Just as feeding the homeless has a predisposition towards STO. Can one feed the homeless for selfish reasons? Certainly. But that doesn't take away from the inherent STO quality of charity, in general.
When Ra visited the Egyptians, did they tell them that slavery was wrong? We can only wonder. Slavery was, apparently, part of the Egyptians' normal lifestyle. Did they even question whether it was 'wrong' or not to enslave other humans?
There is no question that animals are enslaved right now, by the billions. It is slavery. Slavery is inherently STS. But because society considers it normal, most people, Carla and Don included, never even questioned it. Maybe Carla and Don questioned it later, but we see no evidence that they questioned it back in the early 80s at the time of the sessions.
Quote:83.12 Questioner: Then you say that there are no cases where those who are service-to-others oriented are using in any way techniques of enslavement that have grown as a result of the evolution of our social structures? Is this what you mean?
Ra: I am Ra. It was our understanding that your query concerned conditions before the veiling. There was no unconscious slavery, as you call this condition, at that period. At the present space/time the condition of well-meant and unintentional slavery are so numerous that it beggars our ability to enumerate them.
83.13 Questioner: Then for a service-to-others oriented entity at this time meditation upon the nature of these little-expected forms of slavery might be productive in polarization I would think. Am I correct?
Ra: I am Ra. You are quite correct.
87.7 Questioner: What is the environmental situation of this particular fifth-density negative entity, and how does he work with fourth-density negative in order to establish power and control; and what is his particular philosophy with respect to himself as Creator and his use of the first distortion and the extension of this use of the first distortion to the fourth-density negative? I hope that this isn’t too complex a question.
Ra: I am Ra. The environment of your companion is that of the rock, the cave, the place of barrenness, for this is the density of wisdom. That which is needed may be thought and received. To this entity very little is necessary upon the physical, if you will, or space/time complex of distortions.
Such an entity spends its consciousness within the realms of time/space in an attempt to learn the ways of wisdom through the utmost use of the powers and resources of the self. Since the self is the Creator, the wisdom density provides many informative and fascinating experiences for the negatively polarized entity. In some respects one may see a more lucid early attachment to wisdom from those of negative polarity as the nexus of positions of consciousness upon which wisdom is laid is simpler.
The relationship of such an entity to fourth-density negative entities is one of the more powerful and the less powerful. The negative path posits slavery of the less powerful as a means of learning the desire to serve the self to the extent that the will is brought to bear. It is in this way that polarity is increased in the negative sense. Thus fourth-density entities are willing slaves of such a fifth-density entity, there being no doubt whatsoever of the relative power of each.
32.2 Questioner: Thank you very much. I will now continue with the material from day before yesterday. Our subject is how sexual polarity acts as a catalyst in evolution and how to best make use of this catalyst. Going back to that material, I will fill in a few gaps that we possibly don’t understand at this point too well.
Can you tell me the difference between orange- and yellow-ray activation? I am going to work up from red ray right on through the violet, and we covered red ray, so what’s the difference between orange- and yellow-ray activation?
Ra: I am Ra. The orange ray is that influence or vibratory pattern wherein the mind/body/spirit expresses its power on an individual basis. Thus power over individuals may be seen to be orange ray. This ray has been quite intense among your peoples on an individual basis. You may see in this ray the treating of other-selves as non-entities, slaves, or chattel, thus giving other-selves no status whatever.
The yellow ray is a focal and very powerful ray and concerns the entity in relation to, shall we say, groups, societies, or large numbers of mind/body/spirit complexes. This orange — we correct ourselves — this yellow-ray vibration is at the heart of bellicose actions in which one group of entities feel the necessity and right of dominating other groups of entities and bending their wills to the wills of the masters. The negative path, as you would call it, uses a combination of the yellow ray and the orange ray in its polarization patterns. These rays, used in a dedicated fashion, will bring about a contact with intelligent infinity. The usual nature of sexual interaction, if one is yellow or orange in primary vibratory patterns, is one of blockage and then insatiable hunger due to the blockage. When there are two selves vibrating in this area the potential for polarization through the sexual interaction is begun, one entity experiencing the pleasure of humiliation and slavery or bondage, the other experiencing the pleasure of mastery and control over another entity. In this way a sexual energy transfer of a negative polarity is experienced.
Ra never gave direct advice along the lines of "Don't do xyz" but did provide plenty of clues as to the machinations of each polarity.
Right now, higher 2D entities are in slavery and bondage because humans enjoy the taste of meat and dairy. We can extrapolate from that by pondering what Ra said about slavery and bondage.
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