08-02-2015, 10:17 AM
As a vegan, I wholeheartedly accept others for being omnivores and don't see it as a war. There are a lot of posts on this forum and sure, people are "crusading" because they believe so strongly in their position. What ends up getting me involved in the posts is when people display hypocrisy (either side) and right now I see some repeated hypocrisy from the omnivores in the discussion.
This is your go-to argument, that eating plants is hypocritical when we say we don't want to consume sentient life. Firstly, rarely if ever do I kill a plant to consume it - most plants are harvested from and continue to grow/produce. Where the true hypocrisy and speciesism lies is how humans are okay with consuming certain animals (pigs, cows, chickens) but absolutely appalled at the idea of consuming or even hurting other animals, like their pets, or animals similar to their pets, like Cecil the Lion. Aion, would you eat a lion? Would you a cat? Would you eat a human? But you'd eat someone else's pig? This is where the hypocrisy lies in the discussion, IMO, and pointing the hypocrite finger I think you know is projection.
Matt, you seem very caught up on whether or not veganism is required for harvest. I would say no, obviously not. Personally, I don't make my decisions based on whether or not things will get me closer to harvest, my decisions are more nuanced than that. I do what feels right in my being. If eating meat feels right in your being, do it! In fact I know I'm in the minority but I would be happy to incarnate on Earth again, so if I get "swept up in the maelstrom" so be it. But I personally won't be swept up by contributing to the palpable horrors that we perpetrate upon our friends in this maelstrom, as far as I can take that pledge.
We've been conditioned to view the big three (again cows, pigs, chickens) purely as a food source. We don't see any other animals (save the occasional oddities like deer and turkey) as "food". Our true instinct is to nurture and protect them. When we are little we are forced to dissociate from the idea that we are eating cute little animals for our food. I hear more and more how parents have to lie to their children to get them to consume meat. A recent one: "My daughter recently said to me, 'mommy isn't it funny that there's two kinds of chickens, one that's the kind of animal, and one that we eat?'" And parents just allow kids to believe these lies because it makes life much easier. Most of us had a moment where our natural instinct as children (to NOT eat animals) is subverted and suppressed by, mostly likely a matriarch who cooks in the family, mom or grandma, but not that it matters who. People project a level of brainwashing onto vegans that can only be facilitated by a complete shutdown of the compassion in consumption circuitry at a young age. Another one: "My kid won't eat any meat but hotdogs, so he eats hotdogs at every meal!!" So completely disgusting junk animal waste product > no meat at all. This is how deep the "need" for meat has been implanted.
Do omnivores really think that our biological make up is so different from chimps/apes to change us into basically carnivores?
Quote:I KNOW plants don't want to be eaten by communing with them myself. They are eaten because you want to eat them. You even said yourself that fruits are the only karmic-free food but then you try to justify eating plant life? It's so hypocritical.
This is your go-to argument, that eating plants is hypocritical when we say we don't want to consume sentient life. Firstly, rarely if ever do I kill a plant to consume it - most plants are harvested from and continue to grow/produce. Where the true hypocrisy and speciesism lies is how humans are okay with consuming certain animals (pigs, cows, chickens) but absolutely appalled at the idea of consuming or even hurting other animals, like their pets, or animals similar to their pets, like Cecil the Lion. Aion, would you eat a lion? Would you a cat? Would you eat a human? But you'd eat someone else's pig? This is where the hypocrisy lies in the discussion, IMO, and pointing the hypocrite finger I think you know is projection.
Matt, you seem very caught up on whether or not veganism is required for harvest. I would say no, obviously not. Personally, I don't make my decisions based on whether or not things will get me closer to harvest, my decisions are more nuanced than that. I do what feels right in my being. If eating meat feels right in your being, do it! In fact I know I'm in the minority but I would be happy to incarnate on Earth again, so if I get "swept up in the maelstrom" so be it. But I personally won't be swept up by contributing to the palpable horrors that we perpetrate upon our friends in this maelstrom, as far as I can take that pledge.
We've been conditioned to view the big three (again cows, pigs, chickens) purely as a food source. We don't see any other animals (save the occasional oddities like deer and turkey) as "food". Our true instinct is to nurture and protect them. When we are little we are forced to dissociate from the idea that we are eating cute little animals for our food. I hear more and more how parents have to lie to their children to get them to consume meat. A recent one: "My daughter recently said to me, 'mommy isn't it funny that there's two kinds of chickens, one that's the kind of animal, and one that we eat?'" And parents just allow kids to believe these lies because it makes life much easier. Most of us had a moment where our natural instinct as children (to NOT eat animals) is subverted and suppressed by, mostly likely a matriarch who cooks in the family, mom or grandma, but not that it matters who. People project a level of brainwashing onto vegans that can only be facilitated by a complete shutdown of the compassion in consumption circuitry at a young age. Another one: "My kid won't eat any meat but hotdogs, so he eats hotdogs at every meal!!" So completely disgusting junk animal waste product > no meat at all. This is how deep the "need" for meat has been implanted.
Do omnivores really think that our biological make up is so different from chimps/apes to change us into basically carnivores?
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