07-29-2015, 12:56 PM
(07-29-2015, 06:16 AM)Matt1 Wrote:Quote:LOL! Animals have self-awareness, but many humans don't notice. Just like white 'slave owners' didn't notice that the black 'slaves' were aware and intelligent.
Your using an exterm example out side of the context of the debate to justify your point. I am not talking about slave owners, I am talking about animals being used for food. That's like saying because a police officer pulls you over for speeding, that makes him/her a Nazi. Its not logically to jump to such exterms to try to justify an argument. You still haven't given any direct academic proof that animals are self aware like Human beings are. Ra disagrees with that statement(animals are self aware like humans) as I have previously shown. This was shown within the contexts of the all of the material and not just picking one simple quote out of context, as you previously put it.
Why is this an extreme example? Analogies are used to illustrate ideas, when using the subject matter doesn't work. For many people, only human concerns touch them. So making an analogy to humans seems to often be the only way to make some people see the bigger picture.
Quote:Those videos aren't real scientific studies that have been accepted. One video is someone’s bias view and the other is a short experiment by the BBC.
It's true that videos, documentaries, and studies can be slanted toward the maker's bias or mandate from the money. But anyone with eyesight can see the suffering food animals go through. And even if they didn't suffer all that much while living (some cows are free range grazers and left on their own until it's time to slaughter), then they still must be slaughtered to be used as meat. Either a person cares about that, or they don't.
And who cares if it's not accepted? Accepted by whom? There was a time when being accepted by "authorities" or being peer-reviewed mattered and maintained a standard, but not anymore. In the U.S. the meat and dairy industries have great lobbying, marketing, and who-knows-what behind-the-scenes power. I commend any filmmakers who try to expose the truth in a sea of corruption and deception. And I'm sure the U.S. is not the only country corrupted by power.
Quote:Do you think someone can graduate into 4th density from 3rd density while eating meats and not being a vegetation or vegan?
I personally don't care about that. Why should I? I am where I am. Awareness is not something one can force. According to Ra, if a human has not polarized a sufficient amount, then they haven't and apparently won't be harvestable. Just as no one here can change the fact that animals feel pain, that animals feel terror, that animals can develop complex thinking, that animals can even love deeply and unconditionally.