04-11-2015, 11:00 AM
minyatur Wrote:The problem with atheism is that it doesn't try to explain the world other than labeling it as random occuring of mathematical stuff and things. Awareness being born in a biological machine built with a magnificent computer-like brain able to process thoughts and seek answers about this whole Universe and even what's beyond, is not "random" in my perception of things.
There's a really good book by my favorite philosopher, Robert Anton Wilson, called The New Inquisition that criticizes the supremacy in our culture of "fundamentalist materialism", i.e. the almost irrational attachment modern science has with materialist explanations that, in fact, are not as complete and devoid of anomaly as they profess. It's important to impress upon these kinds of fundamentalists the epistemological problems with how fruits of the scientific process are parlayed into rigid laws.
The point being: the model you choose is a reflection of your perception of things, and in many ways _how_ you want to perceive things. This is why I don't accept the notion that "all is one" as some sort of superior, absolute truth. There is a sense in which you can look at everything as a unity, and that has advantages and disadvantages. You can also look at everything as composed of separate, non-homogeoneous things, and that approach also provides you with a certain "character" of reality. The point is not to get the perspective right, IMHO, but to figure out what you desire and mold your perspective to that.
minyatur Wrote:Quantum mechanics IMO will lead atheism toward that understanding because of the important role of the Observer in the matrix of reality. There are many many great discoveries that can reconcialiate spirituality and science but often the implications are not thought of deeply enough.
Given the fact that so much of this is really about the kind of reality one wants to perceive, I doubt it. There are objectivists (disciples of Ayn Rand) who passionately argue that the paradoxes of QM are bogus. People are going to believe what they want, fundamentalists especially. And that's what these obnoxious atheists are: fundamentalists of a religion that simply has no personality.