Ra's Statements About 2D Entities

[Jade]

Jade, you are still thinking Monica belittled the amount of time you have been vegan. Honestly, I REALLY don't think that was the intention. Perhaps you could reread when you are not upset about it.

Diana, I'm not upset now, so I will repost and rebold for you since the words don't change:

Lighthead: Thanks for your feedback. I'm glad to hear that you've gotten some value out of these discussions!  Smile

Jade: Thanks for your feedback. Aggressive?  Were the abolitionists aggressive? Were their passion and tenacity counterproductive? Hmmm...maybe they should have toned it down. Maybe slavery would still be legal, but at least the slave-'owners' wouldn't have gotten their delicate sensibilities offended (a much more important matter than helping the slaves!). Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I sure don't want to make the same mistake they did!

Ah, well, I started out walking on eggshells, but you weren't around back then. Maybe, after 5 years of discussing this topic here at B4, maybe I've become old and crusty. (I've been here longer than you've been vegan, and that's not even counting the 28 years before that.)

Maybe it's time for me to retire. Can I pass the torch to you?

What these threads need is a fresh, young voice! ...one who won't ever offend anyone. As a relatively new vegan, your perspective is fresh. Maybe you can do a better job! - this whole sentence/post is sarcastic so the bold is derisive

Will you be a voice for our younger other-selves? Have you studied what Ra has said about them? Do you hear their call? Will you speak up on behalf of those who are crying out but whose call is being ignored? And if you can do so in a better way than I did, I am relieved and appreciative! I will gladly pass the torch to you!

Please let me know how you're doing in 5 years, and then again in 25.  Wink

OMG Jade, you have completely misunderstood!!!! groan

I wasn't deriding you AT ALL for being vegan 'only 3 years'!! Not at all. Gosh, I would hope that you'd know I commend you for being vegan!!!

You chastised me for being 'too aggressive' and I was simply making the point that I have been participating in these discussions, consistently, despite people being extremely rude to me, even in the early days when I was walking on eggshells and going out of my way to be considerate and non-judgmental, even when being called outright nasty names, for longer than you've been vegan. I simply stated a fact. If you thought that was derisive, then you read something into it that wasn't there. Please reread my previous post and you'll see that it's not there. My point was NOT to deride you for not being vegan as long as I have! That would be absurd!

My point was simply to suggest that you walk a mile in my shoes before judging me. Hang in there for a few years, speak up for the animals, and let's see how you respond when they call you nasty names. If you can do better, please do. I would welcome you with open arms, if you can show me how to raise awareness and answer the call of the billions of oppressed, sentient beings, without offending the oppressors. Please show me the way!

But popping in every now and then...well anyone can do that. Hang around for a few years, and then let's talk.

Or maybe I just made it all up!

And as far as aggro PMs go, if you have a clear conscience, you shouldn't worry. But when someone from the forums contacts me, off site, to ask my opinion if something they said was offensive towards vegans because someone very aggressively PMed them otherwise, I have a feeling a line was crossed somewhere.

I've acknowledged my sarcasm and snide remarks (which were a response in kind), so to keep telling me I've said something sarcastic is beating a dead horse. To say that what I said was sarcastic and belittling and what Monica said WASN'T sarcastic and belittling is a huge jump, and the only reason I continue to even care about defending myself (and subsequently, others).