03-16-2009, 01:06 PM
(03-14-2009, 06:39 PM)MisterRabbit Wrote: So that's one thing I've been trying to understand: if every s/t particle has a t/s element, then how is it that s/t can be oriented towards entropy while t/s is oriented towards higher order? I mean I think it's a great idea and that it makes sense, but I just don't understand how that can be necessarily.
It is actually a necessary consequence of the reciprocal nature of space and time. By definition (although the proof is rather complicated), to decrease order in space, is to increase order in time.
Quote: Like does that mean that in non-living matter that the s/t forces influence on the particle/molecule is more in control, but if it becomes a part of a living thing the t/s part takes hold more?
Yes, that is exactly what Larson proposes.
Quote:Or is it more like...I don't know how to explain this...that even the coming together of a molecule, or a planet for that matter, is t/s influence on s/t (so in other words if s/t was the only influence there would be no order whatsoever, just dust floating around or something like that)?
Note that atoms combining into molecules or planets forming from interstellar dust are largely due to the of s/t attributes of matter, namely gravity and atomic attraction which, per RST, is a function of balancing motions of the composite atoms. Still, the ultimate cohesion of matter into solids does also have a t/s attribute which allows the atoms to be brought closer together than 1 unit space (the closest they could get due to gravity alone), by moving them slightly farther apart in time. I think this gets back to one of your original questions about strange attractors and chaos theory. I feel fairly certain that strange attractors per chaos theory are related to similar aspects of t/s interaction with s/t.
Quote:So I think a big part of the concept that I'm trying to grapple with here is how can a particle exist simultaneously in s/t and t/s if they are pulling it in opposite directions? It almost seems like it would have to be doing one thing in s/t and another in t/s, but I think that I'm realizing now that they are more like the influences on it.
Here's what's happening (as I currently understand it). Matter is able to form and congeal in s/t (aka the material sector). Coincident with this congealed material matter is an equal and opposite amount of t/s (aka cosmic) matter. If the material and cosmic matter were to meet, they would mutually destroy each other. Although this does happen on rare occasions, it doesn't happen often in s/t because the cosmic matter is spread out over the vastness of space.
At the same time, cosmic matter is able to congeal and form in t/s. This congealed cosmic matter in t/s can be thought of as just a different way of looking at the same cosmic matter that is spread out in space. But you are looking at on the stage of t/s. On this stage, material matter is spread out through time. The same order still exists, you are just looking at it from a different perspective. Kind of like the headstones in Arlington National Cemetery. If you're placed in the right position, they are beautifully ordered in rows and columns, and amazing diagonals, but move just a few paces in the wrong direction, and all you see is chaoticly placed rocks.
So you see, they are not really pulling in opposite directions, there is one force that has two different manifestations. "Disorder in space" is the flip side to coin which is "order in time". You can't have a coin with only one side, and the equilibrium between t/s and s/t is constantly maintained simply due to the cause and effect of any motion occurring on either stage.
I haven't attempted to include the concepts of consciousness and control yet, although this is next step once we have obtained a consensus on these and a few other basics.
I believe that we are getting close. Does this help?
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