in regard to 'already being all that there is', i still maintain my earlier outlook :
all this existence, this manifestation, all these octaves (which will never end by the way, one ties to another) space/time and time/space and all manifestations and roads and path that entities follow upwards, are there for accomplishing the very purpose of making an entity all that there is by removing distortions.
now then, if, the whole point of existence (at least for us) is as such, then, it means that, in this existence there is finity, which is going towards infinite. this existence is manifesting with the concept of finity, this infinite intelligence was able to discover. yes, one may call these illusions, yes, one may attempt to remove these illusions, however, this would not change the fact that, as far as the finity concept we (infinite intelligence, all of us) was able to discover goes, we are manifesting as finite.
and this finite manifestation will take an octave to unravel. all the densities, differently accentuated aspects of existence in those densities (d of love, wisdom, cocreation, balance/self and so on), are made for that purpose. the mechanism is as thus. entity proceeds by encountering, experiencing and evolving through the illusions (finities).
it, therefore, is illogical and probably impossible to approach existence, this road, as 'there are illusions which i need to remove', and try to see existence from the viewpoint of infinite intelligence, a subset of infinity (according to me) itself. because, then there would be no point in manifesting all this existence, parallel universes, octaves.
it is possible that, such an approach wont even be valid in 7d. because, the work seems to be integrating the various development parts of the entity that come from different universes. so, there is still finity to deal with, while being finite.
as far as what we know from Ra, the totality, at one point, leaves its all identity, experiences, everything behind, and goes back to infinite intelligence. this is probably the closest point entity gets to infinite.
but then again, infinite intelligence, is infinity gained consciousness. it is different from infinity. therefore, even if nearing infinity itself, probably, it is still not infinity, because, it is different than infinity.
so, another octave begins at the end of one, and, infinite intelligence begins another experience cycle.
but then again, there is something sounding wrong here too. if, infinite intelligence is doing these cycles, it cant be nearing infinity even. it cannot be infinity, because it is different from infinity (it is conscious) but, if, it experiences cycles, it cant be even near infinity. it doesnt click right that infinite intelligence, the closest concept to infinity, can be limited with octaves. it is a much bigger limitation than being different from infinity, just by being conscious. therefore, how can it be ?
the highest possibility i can think of, is, that infinite intelligence is not part of any octave. but rather, the totalities that merge into infinite intelligence at the end of each octave, are. and it is, therefore highly possible that, although they are now one with infinite intelligence at the end of any octave, another octave will begin and aspects, or portions of that totality, that merged with infinite intelligence will again start an experience cycle in the new octave, in order for their hidden aspects to be discovered, because as per infinity requires, anything infinite needs to be infinite in every way, including all of its aspects. thus, this is the closest point we may get to 'everything being all that there is' at any given time. but then again this may not seem as such to us, because we will be experiencing these octaves. however, another octave, another manifestation may be much larger, being almost infinite, compared to our manifestation that we knew in the previous octave. such is the nature of infinity.
so accordingly, if we come back to the point, then the best way for anyone who is leaning towards 'im all that there is' would still be to stick with the same method and act according to their strongest calling and the power and guidance of their own spirit, and go wherever these take oneself.
spirit is an integral part (itself also a complex according to what Ra says) of the mind/body/spirit complex.
so basically its always there. what is needed probably, to be more aware of it, and give enough concentration to it.
i think one of the ways, and maybe the best way to do it, is desire, will.
ra was saying that spirit's task is to merge the in flowing streams of infinite intelligence from above, and, up flowing streams of mind/body complex and its desire from below, to act like a shuttle in between the two, and, from judging what we learned in various other sessions, where this meeting point is, should indicate the level entity is in regard to chakras, density, activity etc.
so, then it seems mind/body has to show strong desire and will, for the spirit to be powerful in manifestation.
on a sidenote, i think that body never, ever, ever be ignored, despised, diminished, or villified. it is part of mind/body/spirit complex, it is integral, and it is going to be there even at 7d. ra says reproduction is not needed, because the need to reuse bodies ends even.
proper care need to be given to the body and ear should be lent to its wants and needs, in the wise and properly balanced amount. also one shouldnt forget that, the initiation process Ra describes in pyramids begins with the body complex being made comfortable, so only then mind and spirit can start their work in full force for initiation.
all this existence, this manifestation, all these octaves (which will never end by the way, one ties to another) space/time and time/space and all manifestations and roads and path that entities follow upwards, are there for accomplishing the very purpose of making an entity all that there is by removing distortions.
now then, if, the whole point of existence (at least for us) is as such, then, it means that, in this existence there is finity, which is going towards infinite. this existence is manifesting with the concept of finity, this infinite intelligence was able to discover. yes, one may call these illusions, yes, one may attempt to remove these illusions, however, this would not change the fact that, as far as the finity concept we (infinite intelligence, all of us) was able to discover goes, we are manifesting as finite.
and this finite manifestation will take an octave to unravel. all the densities, differently accentuated aspects of existence in those densities (d of love, wisdom, cocreation, balance/self and so on), are made for that purpose. the mechanism is as thus. entity proceeds by encountering, experiencing and evolving through the illusions (finities).
it, therefore, is illogical and probably impossible to approach existence, this road, as 'there are illusions which i need to remove', and try to see existence from the viewpoint of infinite intelligence, a subset of infinity (according to me) itself. because, then there would be no point in manifesting all this existence, parallel universes, octaves.
it is possible that, such an approach wont even be valid in 7d. because, the work seems to be integrating the various development parts of the entity that come from different universes. so, there is still finity to deal with, while being finite.
as far as what we know from Ra, the totality, at one point, leaves its all identity, experiences, everything behind, and goes back to infinite intelligence. this is probably the closest point entity gets to infinite.
but then again, infinite intelligence, is infinity gained consciousness. it is different from infinity. therefore, even if nearing infinity itself, probably, it is still not infinity, because, it is different than infinity.
so, another octave begins at the end of one, and, infinite intelligence begins another experience cycle.
but then again, there is something sounding wrong here too. if, infinite intelligence is doing these cycles, it cant be nearing infinity even. it cannot be infinity, because it is different from infinity (it is conscious) but, if, it experiences cycles, it cant be even near infinity. it doesnt click right that infinite intelligence, the closest concept to infinity, can be limited with octaves. it is a much bigger limitation than being different from infinity, just by being conscious. therefore, how can it be ?
the highest possibility i can think of, is, that infinite intelligence is not part of any octave. but rather, the totalities that merge into infinite intelligence at the end of each octave, are. and it is, therefore highly possible that, although they are now one with infinite intelligence at the end of any octave, another octave will begin and aspects, or portions of that totality, that merged with infinite intelligence will again start an experience cycle in the new octave, in order for their hidden aspects to be discovered, because as per infinity requires, anything infinite needs to be infinite in every way, including all of its aspects. thus, this is the closest point we may get to 'everything being all that there is' at any given time. but then again this may not seem as such to us, because we will be experiencing these octaves. however, another octave, another manifestation may be much larger, being almost infinite, compared to our manifestation that we knew in the previous octave. such is the nature of infinity.
so accordingly, if we come back to the point, then the best way for anyone who is leaning towards 'im all that there is' would still be to stick with the same method and act according to their strongest calling and the power and guidance of their own spirit, and go wherever these take oneself.
(07-21-2010, 10:06 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: How do you recommend people get in touch with spirit? Meditation, of course, but are you thinking of anything else?
spirit is an integral part (itself also a complex according to what Ra says) of the mind/body/spirit complex.
so basically its always there. what is needed probably, to be more aware of it, and give enough concentration to it.
i think one of the ways, and maybe the best way to do it, is desire, will.
ra was saying that spirit's task is to merge the in flowing streams of infinite intelligence from above, and, up flowing streams of mind/body complex and its desire from below, to act like a shuttle in between the two, and, from judging what we learned in various other sessions, where this meeting point is, should indicate the level entity is in regard to chakras, density, activity etc.
so, then it seems mind/body has to show strong desire and will, for the spirit to be powerful in manifestation.
on a sidenote, i think that body never, ever, ever be ignored, despised, diminished, or villified. it is part of mind/body/spirit complex, it is integral, and it is going to be there even at 7d. ra says reproduction is not needed, because the need to reuse bodies ends even.
proper care need to be given to the body and ear should be lent to its wants and needs, in the wise and properly balanced amount. also one shouldnt forget that, the initiation process Ra describes in pyramids begins with the body complex being made comfortable, so only then mind and spirit can start their work in full force for initiation.