2006.01.01 'Failure' of the plan that this logos chose

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a vivid creation which has given only 250something 4d graduates out of 7 billion and more (counting the maldek, deneb, earth populations) since the last 705,000 years, destroying 2 3d habitation environments. it is possible that there have been more harvested during the period, however, there hasnt been any societal complex grade harvests up till this point. had earth also been destroyed, there wouldnt be any place in this solar system until mars would get rehabilitated (if it can, in the meaningful time) or, pluton gets through 1d, goes to 2d, and goes to 3d. even at that point there wouldnt be any noticeable scale 4d harvests. that would be a very, very long time.

First, earth's harvest hasn't happened yet. We don't know how many will be harvested.

Second, Ra is also part of our solar system, so you should include their experience.

More importantly, you are equating numbers with success. Ra says, "if one is enlightened, are not all enlightened?" Perhaps our Logos was only aiming for small harvests of vivid entities.

Fourth, you mean Uranus, not Pluto.

considering the 4d cycle is 30 million years, as Ra says, and pluton would take billions to pass through 1-2d, that would mean that if mars didnt get rehabilitated and start putting out graduates, 4d inhabitants of this solar system would graduate. that means, apart from who was sent to other planets and gets harvested there, and returns to this planet (unlikely, since it seems entities that complete a 3d in a planet that passes to 4d seem to stay there, and entities that get harvested before a planet gets to 4d again are likely to stay there to serve), there wouldnt be any native graduates of this logos to 4d, in its natural way.

Are you forgetting earth? There will most likely be a harvest here, although it may of course be small.

if a finite gets stalled in its discovery, it constitues a failure, imbalance, mishap, or error.

Not necessarily. Ra says "the experiences are this distortion" (meaning free will). It may be that the seeming failure is in fact a success in that it has offered to the Creator an extremely intense, bright, and, yes, vivid opportunity to experience itself.

firstly, if we are wanderers, we wouldnt need to learn 3rd density lessons.

You misread what I wrote. I said if we're third density, there are lots of other places we could learn third-density lessons.

however, there is this - if we have chosen to fail the earth on its own merits, it would probably mean the obliteration of a huge percentage of the population, or, destruction of the planet and 7 billion + entities going into a state like maldek entities have gone into, for a 'very long time' (we dont know how long did it take).

Possibly. We don't know if that would have happened; it still might. However, without wanderers aiding technological development it's likely that the ability to blow up the planet would not have been developed.

so, its not just a 'hey, let me heed this call' choice. it is probably the most strong probability vortex standing in front of us, when we were making a choice. choosing any other would be harder, depending on the strength of other vortexes.

Quite possibly, but you are now acknowledging that it was a free will choice.

you are not providing logic, reasoning behind your arguments. therefore, it becomes rather harder to discuss, and also it becomes unfruitful for the person in front of you, because you dont bring reasons and ideas, it doesnt stimulate thought in the mind of the other person.

Hmm, well I guess if you find my posts annoying or illogical it gives you fodder for your balancing meditations.

we seem to be having a context difference here. when i speak of 'illusion', im speaking of this ENTIRE existence, manifestation, not only this octave, but also all the other octaves.

Actually, you were speaking about 'reality.' I was saying it's illusion. So we agree?

despite i have explained that quote to you

As have I explained it to you. I will try again. The phrase "as in an holographic picture" is illustrative. It does not change the meaning of the sentence. "...any portion, no matter how small, of any density ... contains ... the One Creator which is infinity."

if, any finite entity was the infinity itself, there wouldnt be any need to have more than such 'infinite' finite entities.

No one is claiming that there is a need for more than one finite entity. The point is that the Creator decided to amuse itself by exploring its infinite selfhood. There's no need involved. In order to explore, it thought it a good idea to create seemingly finite parts of itself. Not because it needed to; just because it wanted to. But it's an illusion. The parts aren't actually finite and there is only one.

that means, a single finite entity is not replaceable for infinity itself.

The idea isn't that the single finite entity is replaceable for infinity, it's that the single seemingly finite entity contains infinity.

yes, their numbers, have grown.

How do you know?

while this in itself is another angle and a whole topic in itself

I agree that it could be its own thread, but it's relevant to this thread because of the possibility that it explains much of what you seem to find unsatisfactory about how the Logos's plan has played out here on earth.

there is also the important consideration about yahweh - what was it that caused them to act this way - getting attached to a certain group of 3d entities with illogical compassion to the point of repeatedly causing the same mistakes over and over.

How do you know it was illogical compassion that caused the one formerly known as Yahweh to take the actions it did?

Actually, in Dewey Larson physics, the natural or undistorted state is flowing outward from all locations. It's not still.

yes it is. however, it is the point where dewey's physics start. it is, as Ra states, the opening stages of this understanding, however it is suitable and acceptably advanced for earth civilization here.

Do you mean "yes, it is still," or "yes, it is flowing outward from all locations?"

there is nothing to reconcile - i dont agree with Ra at that :

It seems like a fundamental disagreement. Ra says the corollary of infinity is unity; that's the premise and the basis of their message of the Law of One.

had it been such, there would be no need for more than one entity to manifest. because, it would contain all the creator, and discovery of that singular entity would mean that all was discovered. there wouldnt be any need for infinite numbers of such holographic pictures to exist, because, none of them would be different, since they all would be containing the infinity in the same way infinity itself is. one discovery would be enough.

The beginning and end is the same for all entities; it's the journey between that's infinitely varied, rich, and vivid.

'unaware' infinity is not a possibility, because, for infinity to be infinity, it also needs to encompass the concepts 'aware' and 'unaware'. because otherwise, it wouldnt be infinity.

And yet, Ra said "infinity became aware," clearly implying that there was a state in which infinity was not aware. Similarly, they state that first density replicates intelligent infinity in its discovery of awareness.

i have noted that i am not basing all my thoughts on dewey, also, im not agreeing with Ra in everything.

I guess I'm wondering what you do agree with Ra about, in terms of the big picture.

that means, you do not even encompass the state of you which has penetrated intelligent infinity in a systematic and reproducible way in your current incarnation.

Not at all. It just means I don't have readily available access to that state.

in actuality, you do not encompass, contain those concepts, aspects, or states. hence, you are finite.

Ra says, "you are infinite." You say, "you are finite." I guess the choice is clear.