Intelligent Infinity, has no polarization

[Ali Quadir]

even in your example, however it would be impossible to analyze infinity with holographic projections and thoughts, still the apple inside that tree cannot encompass and summarize the entire apple+tree. it may be a microcosm in itself and go infinitely towards into own self, but still it cannot encompass the tree and itself at the same time.

It does. In a holographic image most definitely all the objects in the image are part of the same wave function. We can discuss the relevance to intelligent infinity. But stating that in a holographic image the apple inside the tree cannot encompass the entire apple+tree is going against common scientific knowledge.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holography

the fact that infinity minus any finite entity not being the same infinity anymore, doesnt make infinity any of its subsets. it only makes those subsets as important as infinity.

Maybe the mistake is that an apple is a finite entity. It's not, not in a holographic sense, not in a quantum mechanical sense, not in a spiritual sense. It is only finite in the classical mechanical sense.

In fact finiteness doesn't actually exist in reality. Finiteness exists wherever there exists information. An actual object is infinite in too many ways. It is for example spread out across the totality of space. It has for example infinite microcosms inside of it. It is interacting with other objects in the universe in infinite even if subtle ways.

Information is as far as I know the only finite thing that exists. Our minds work with information. We therefore tend to impose finiteness on impressions we call objects. Both finiteness and objects are illusory. Even mental or emotional objects.

Sorry, I don't see why that would be...Why would they be able to transplant themselves? The seed of having to return to the positive is embedded in themselves. No matter where they transplant to they would take this seed with them. It is inherent in their path. There is no outside forcing them to do anything, the whole reason they eventually turn back to positive lies within.

this is not relevant to any kind of seed, and there is no seed either.
they are trying to revert the flow of existence. flow of energy. the principle of existence.

inwards instead of outwards.

Isn't the flow of existence a rhythmic breathing? In many many systems there is always the duality of two flows in different directions. Their polarity is what causes reality.

they are doing that until early 6d. at which point, they start to experience problems in the mechanic, because, their finite existence cannot encompass infinity, as the 6d entity starts to become more and more cocreator with the creation.

This is what I meant with the seed. It is inherent in them to have to move towards the positive at some point. Just like it is inherent in a parasite not to kill the host. They have to or they stop existing.

had they been able to say 'everything is me', they would be able to do it. but saying is one thing, believing is one thing, manifesting it is another. for that manifestation, they would be able to suck in all infinity. they cant, so they return to positive format.

Suck in infinity? This links back to the holographic model we discussed above. You seem to feel that to become one with all we have to somehow suck it all in? The truth is we already are one with all. It's not a matter of sucking anything in or becoming one with anything. Spirituality is the slow progressive realization that we are one with everything.

Cause and effect do not exist outside of locality or the time frame. At that point is a higher order effect we usually call synchronicity.

Are you saying that the higher order effect of love is infinity?

If you are saying that then we agree.

it doesnt matter what kind of approach you use in analyzing this. take it as hierarchy if you will. if you dont want to translate to casuality.

for intelligent infinity to exist, there has to be infinity. for for free will to exist there has to be intelligent infinity. for love to exist, there has to be free will. for light to exist, there has to be love. and so on.

These are all suppositions. They sound logical enough but I don't see why
they should be true. I might as well say.

For free will to exist there must be intelligence. For intelligence to exist there must be love. For love to exist there must be light.

It's all arbitrary.. The hierarchy you speak of is one you impose on the reality. The reality itself is a mishmash of patterns and information. It does not require the hierarchy you speak of. It's much more organic than systematic.

What does happen is that there are higher order interactions for example between infinity and intelligence. And between intelligence and love. These things are like you say linked together.

We could call this higher order intelligence. Concepts like intelligent infinity like Ra uses refer to these higher order patterns. Intelligent infinity does not mean there is an actual infinity somewhere which is intelligent. It means something that can in our minds best be represented by that image.

by the way, cause-effect are not tied to time. just, all causes and all effects combine into a null point in infinity, nullifying each other. for anything under infinity, cause-effect should exists.

This is just semantics. But cause and effect do imply an order which is usually temporal. They imply that the cause leads to the effect. But the truth in the matter is that causes and effects exist together. You cannot remove an effect from it's cause. You can only change the flow of events. But every cause will have an effect. Every effect will have a cause. If you remove temporality from the equation all you'll lose all hierarchy.

An event like 2012 for example. Is this the effect of the changes leading up to it? Or is it the cause for those changes to occur? Many times the cause lies after the effect in time. But if that's true, then really they are two sides of a coin. Not separate events in space time connected by causality.