(07-14-2010, 11:10 AM)Ali Quadir Wrote: Inside and outside, the terms you use here are a bit tricky. Because in holography we can't really say one thing is separated from the other. If you have a holographic image of both an apple and a tree. Then the apple inside the hologram is not outside of the tree. You cannot change the apple without changing the tree. If you are to cut the holographic image in half you get two the same images.
A microcosm in this sense is infinite in itself and is completely linked with anything outside of it. The all is one principle doesn't just mean that there is a unity in which all things exist... It means that unity exists in all things.
All is one.. Not one is all..
this is not related to linkage, causality or changing.
even in your example, however it would be impossible to analyze infinity with holographic projections and thoughts, still the apple inside that tree cannot encompass and summarize the entire apple+tree. it may be a microcosm in itself and go infinitely towards into own self, but still it cannot encompass the tree and itself at the same time.
the fact that infinity minus any finite entity not being the same infinity anymore, doesnt make infinity any of its subsets. it only makes those subsets as important as infinity.
Quote:Sorry, I don't see why that would be...Why would they be able to transplant themselves? The seed of having to return to the positive is embedded in themselves. No matter where they transplant to they would take this seed with them. It is inherent in their path. There is no outside forcing them to do anything, the whole reason they eventually turn back to positive lies within.
this is not relevant to any kind of seed, and there is no seed either.
they are trying to revert the flow of existence. flow of energy. the principle of existence.
inwards instead of outwards.
all the existence, manifestation is flowing outwards (also has parallels with dewey's physics that was examined in Ra material).
these entities are trying to stop it first (by clogging their centers) and then turn it inwards.
to do that, they need to clog all centers and then suck all the energy from outside.
they are doing that until early 6d. at which point, they start to experience problems in the mechanic, because, their finite existence cannot encompass infinity, as the 6d entity starts to become more and more cocreator with the creation.
their own selves cannot suck up the infinite energy of existence, so, in that sense, they are unable to express infinity in their own self only.
they have to again merge with infinity, with everything else.
had they been able to say 'everything is me', they would be able to do it. but saying is one thing, believing is one thing, manifesting it is another. for that manifestation, they would be able to suck in all infinity. they cant, so they return to positive format.
Quote:Cause and effect do not exist outside of locality or the time frame. At that point is a higher order effect we usually call synchronicity.
Are you saying that the higher order effect of love is infinity?
If you are saying that then we agree.
it doesnt matter what kind of approach you use in analyzing this. take it as hierarchy if you will. if you dont want to translate to casuality.
for intelligent infinity to exist, there has to be infinity. for for free will to exist there has to be intelligent infinity. for love to exist, there has to be free will. for light to exist, there has to be love. and so on.
actually these all has to be higher order's subsets. intelligent infinity, is not infinity anymore. it is different than it, and very very probably, a subset missing some particular aspect. when combined with that aspect, it will probably again return to stillness, and there would again be infinity in which nothing happens and everything happens. but that is a different and long topic.
by the way, cause-effect are not tied to time. just, all causes and all effects combine into a null point in infinity, nullifying each other. for anything under infinity, cause-effect should exists.