Why I am not a vegan

[Monica]

No, because Jimmy may then take that torture and brutality and simply take it out on someone else or somewhere else. The brutality of that individual would not be abated by the choice of the buyer, and so abuse would continue just in a different form.

In my understanding of the Law of One, STS entities serve a purpose, but we are in the density of Choice, so whether we choose to participate in brutality affects our own polarity and the mass consciousness as well.

Each time Johnny chooses compassionate acts over violent ones, he is affecting the mass consciousness. This includes Jimmy, his victims, and the whole planet.

Choices matter.

Now, would Johnny not be using his choice to potentially alter the conditions of the animals which he could possibly do by attempting to show Jimmy a better way?

Yes indeed. If Johnny simply refused to eat meat altogether, he would, over time, awaken others, simply by being who he is. As other awaken, the demand for meat would decrease, and eventually Jimmy would have to learn how to grow tomatoes, which would affect the economy as well as the environment, even politics...eventually leading to less starvation and a lighter, brighter planet that is no longer weighed down by all that suffering.

Think about the emotional weight of billions of animals suffering on a daily basis. We are all affected by that.

But even if Johnny's choice saved only a few cows per year, it is still significant...to those cows. Those cows matter.

True, but that is indifference, not self-serving. Self-serving would be asking to join in on the torture. Service would be the attempt to heal Jimmy of his violent and torturous tendencies.

I see it complete opposite. Self-serving is choosing to eat meat, despite knowing that this choice contributes to the suffering of sentient beings.

Attempting to 'heal' Jimmy of his violent and torturous tendencies would actually be STS; that is trying to control.

Johnny cannot control what Jimmy does. Johnny is responsible only for his own choices.

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This is the kind of discussion I am interested in!! Not about what you or I do personally, but about concepts, within the context of the Law of One!

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for dinner tonight i ate the pain, the trauma, the slain, the horror, the stress, the murder, the mess, the voiceless, the caged, the helpless, the raged, the captured, the meek, the terror, the reek, the blood, the gore...& it was medium-rare & it was delicious

Are you proud of what you did? Your statement seems to indicate pride.

i'm happy i got to taste something i really enjoy tasting - praise be to god from whom all blessings flow. one day i'll pay that cow back big-time, assuming this is possible

hopefully in the future i can eat something that tastes exactly like a steak but isn't one...star trek replicator thingy to synthesize any taste imaginable, that isn't actually food, from any planet...until then i'm ok with having meat about once a year

Praise be to god????? Are you kidding? If you're a Christian then I get your callousness. Everything seems to be okay in Christianity including violence of the most extreme nature to everything from animals to pregnant women and children, spelled out right there in the bible. If you're not a Christian, the statement is still ludicrous in this context.

And all this Matrix bull****. It's nothing but rationalization. As Monica said, are you going to torture and kill a child because nothing is real?

Is that air you're breathing? Yes. This existence is a part of reality. Pain is real. Slice off your leg and tell me it isn't.

I have officially lost my cool with so much utter BS, ignorance, and unkindness over the issue of eating animals. IT'S NOT NECESSARY. THE TORTURE AND CRUELTY OF ANIMALS IS NOT NECESSARY.

I'll give you one thing, you had the honesty to admit it's for TASTE. :@

Thank you, Diana, for saying what I wanted to say. I was so incredulous...I was speechless. But you said it well.