Do you guys actually believe this stuff?

[Jeremy]

I'm honestly surprised this discussion has gone on for as long as it has. Virulent defense and incessant personal displays of beliefs will produce no acceptable outcome for the one that questions this material thus such entertainment of this supposed curiosity accomplishes nothing in the long run.

It's because a lot of you don't seem to understand that you can't just pick and choose what's true and have it be true simply because you chose it.

The western empirical tradition that resulted in modern science is establishing truths, actual accurate observations and explanations of reality, it's a gradual process of discovery. Whereas this book offers a completely different view of the world not based on any science (well apart from Larson who is not respected in the scientific community) with a whole bunch of unprovable stuff and you just take that all on faith? I mean you may as well believe that this post will align your energy centers, there's no reason to believe it but people are proving they don't need reasons other than making you feel good. JLY was looking really promising but after a few posts it all broke down into "I can believe what I want and that includes making stuff up and being inconsistent" no offense intended but he did literally make stuff up (ad hoc explanations allowed by a cosmic philosophy that does not discriminate fact from fiction, he had the honesty to admit it though and did say that the theory would be consistent with what's displayed in the Ra Material, though doesn't stop it being made up) and was inconsistent (regarding Larson in relation to the Ra Material).

I'm surprised too though, apart from the individuals that just flared up and went "ah you're here to attack us like a zealot cos you don't see any reason to believe that my cherished views are true" I've found most of you to be rather pleasant and agreeable.

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And to be honest, the longer I spend here the more convinced I become that this Material is bunk. Not completely convinced yet but I'm getting there. Especially as all the most reasonable folk here aren't completely convinced either.

Again, you're trying to use a scientific approach to understand something that cannot be proven which is where you will run into an impenetrable wall every time. If it's not standing up to your internal BS meter, then the material simply isn't for you at this time. I'm not saying you're not ready for it or claim that you aren't good enough like some egocentric new ager either. Going by their own words, you cannot convince those who have not come to a point in their lives where such material is pertinent.

As parsons mentioned some pages back, I'm wondering if the reason why so many have agreed to humor you on this endeavor is because they see so much of themselves in you regarding your unwavering urge to pick this material apart because it's sounds too crazy to be true. When I first found this material, I too was this way. I kept reading thinking "there is no freakin way this can be true!" Yet I kept reading. The more I kept reading, the more it actually made sense. I can't tell you why but something just clicked.

I too came from a very logical and scientific approach to life. If something didn't pass the scientific method, it was false, no ifs, ands, or buts. If it wasn't quantifiable, it wasn't pertinent or even worthy of a discussion. Yet for reasons I still can't explain, this material sparked something inside of me. Even to this day, I will struggle with my logical mind and this material yet I have worked upon my faith that it is indeed true and in the end, what's the harm in believing in something that ultimately is good for humanity? Sure you can say it leads some to create their own delusional world where they use it as a form of escapism and I agree with that. I've seen many people withdraw from society and strive to become adepts/recluses simply because they can't seem to integrate within society. Yet the ones that you've claimed that this type of information could be dangerous are the ones that regardless of whether they found this material or not would still be in the same predicament of self delusion.

I don't subscribe to the more mystical parts of the material but not because I don't believe in it but because I know it's not my path. Sure some stuff sounds pretty fantastical but it's not up to me to determine what path another takes so I accept them just as I accept you and your path. It's not our job to convince you of anything. If you cannot accept this material internally then I accept that and understand that this way of life isn't for you. Again, not because it's above you or anything but just because it's not your path.