07-10-2010, 11:05 AM
(07-09-2010, 09:28 PM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote: However I believe you place too much emphasis on information. Take this excerpt into consideration:
17.2 http://lawofone.info/results.php?session_id=17&ss=1#2
Ra: I am Ra. It is impossible to help another being directly. It is only possible to make catalyst available in whatever form, the most important being the radiation of realization of oneness with the Creator from the self, less important being information such as we share with you.
i place emphasis on information, because, it seems to be ignored in modern new age literature and thought. entities are given the impression that 'if you just love/believe, everything will just fall into place'. yeah, it might, if higher principles take the responsibility and put them into place on behalf. but, there is a certain point at which each child needs to grow up and start shouldering responsibilities.
but then again, most of the entities on this planet do not need to worry about this for some time, it seems. my aim is poking the eye of those who need to do, but havent yet.
Quote:One can always trace back a sequence of events which made possible that which is occurring in the present. Music, for instance. You could say that modern day gangbanger rap would not have been possible were it not for the hip-hop of the 80’s, which would not have been possible were it not for the R&B of earlier times, itself not possible were it not for the jazz of even earlier decades. (Someone with more musical knowledge could construct a *much* better analogy than I just did.)
Point being, just because there are a string of causal factors preceding an event does not necessarily mean that there was a master plan in place. As you said, everything ties into everything, one thing leading to the next, but that does not prove predestination or a plan other than that which is affected by the upward spiraling light.
Which is not to say that there wasn’t a plan for the Law of One material to manifest! There may well have been. Just that the string of events you listed does not prove the plan.
that depends. an obscure incarnation of a wanderer in 4500 BC may have been a plan and performed accordingly. but we may not know it.
bits and pieces of info coming and going, here and there, may be building blocks, or may not. there are a lot of real stuff scattered around in some cultures, philosophies, but their usability and efficiency is questionable.
but some plans, we can easily make out before being told to. the 200 year long plan for example. it may not have been a precisely timed plan, but it is evident that it was a grand plan that had certain goals.
Quote:I understood the waves of wanderers as happening in general to help with harvest. I didn’t consider that waves of wanderers may have also incarnated just to keep the planet viable before the harvest, that is, to help third density not blow itself up. Definitely feasible!
yes. especially after maldek, 1th atlantis, and 2nd atlantis disasters. then again the continent of mu also sank 'due to no fault of their own'. but, how did it sink, really ? ....
Quote:Unity100, I really think you’re mistaken here. Third-density entities, as you know, are under the influence of the veil. The veil is a function of the mind complex (and naturally has consequences for the body complex). So there are most definitely changes to the mind complex of the wanderer as the veil descends and becomes rather opaque (though semi-permeable).
veil, as far as i know, is a mechanism that separates conscious mind from subconscious. this is its mechanism. there isnt a separate machination. if we consider the fact that Ra has been saying all that is experienced is experienced in mind ...
Quote:The “wanderer” is that entity within third density. The wanderer, by definition, has (for a time span) given up its identity almost completely in order to be of service. It thus becomes a wanderer through this sacrifice. If the sixth-density entity remained a sixth-density entity, serving Earth as a sixth-density entity, with sixth-density knowledge, it would not be a wanderer. Such a case would be like an American doing Peace Corp service in Sudan who always retains his citizenship, his bank account, his vaccinations, and anything else that separates him from the Sudanese, and does not become a Sudanese.
It would only be hoped that that desire to serve would be of such strength and purity that it would come through the Sudanese incarnation and be put into effect.
only 3d body is put into activation instead of a higher d body, and veil is put in between conscious and subconscious mind. else, the entity wouldnt be able to return to its original density upon death. forgetting and contact to subconscious in a heavy body creates the sacrifice. not forfeiting core elements of existence of the entity.
Quote:Okay, let’s go over this one again if you don’t mind.
Your basic assertion is this: wanderers incarnated in waves in the 1700’s with the general mission of offering a philosophy which upholds the freedom of the individual. The basic reason behind this mission was to free entities from the drudgery of their day in order that they might have time and opportunity to contemplate spiritual evolution.
I agree. But if I understand you correctly, you are saying that the fact that these wanderers came and fulfilled their function (however imperfectly) means that wanderers have greater access to their subconscious minds. Right?
it is evident that they do. first, had they not have such an access, they would function perfectly identical to the earth native entities, acting along with the societal mind and its conditionings. it would require ability to go past the veil to remember core ideals and concepts of higher densities, or, concepts that are left out/held out of the societal mind. or, at least, some ability to get in sync with such ideas through any means and receive them. be it intuition, be it connection to roots of mind, be it some kind of channeling, muse, inspiration. doesnt matter. the fact is, they were able to go through the veil. else, they would just be 'rather successful' participants of the society, while acting in lockstep with it.
Quote:If so, I am disagreeing on the basis that what you are witnessing is the wanderer following through with pre-incarnational programming in the course of their incarnation. Third-density natives do the same thing every day. In partnership with their higher selves they, prior to incarnation, made choices about their own missions they wanted to fulfill on planet Earth while incarnate, missions that may be coordinated with a larger plan of similar-minded souls. When and if they do follow through with that pre-incarnational programming, it does not necessarily mean that they have access to the subconscious that others do not have in potential.
now, if it had been so, there would be no need to have a wanderer do those incarnations and perform these tasks. 3d entities would be able to plan their incarnations in the same manner, and just incarnate and make the objective a reality. this would be even better in that 3d entities would change their own reality. all it would need would be a positively oriented 3d entity who decided to fulfill that mission.
but, apparently such a thing was not enough.
Quote:Not following your point here. Isn’t that obvious to say that any third-density entity, wanderer or not, works within or outside of existing societal biases?
that depends. being outside the social bias, would require being able to realize that understandings and behaviors outside that social bias exist. either intuitively, or consciously, or through any other means. this could also be possible for a 3d entity, somewhat remembering that different biases, or views can exist due to their past lives, or any kind of connection to subconscious. but then again, this is also a manifestation of going through the veil.
therefore, it would be easier for a wanderer to go through that veil than a 3d entity, therefore going outside societal biases. though, incarnational program may be arranged to not do as such. however then again, the entity would still be a higher density entity in its core, and this would cause frictions. it is a larger topic actually.
the point is, it is a higher possibility for a wanderer to work outside social biases than a 3d entity.
Quote:Any seeker who invests himself fully into the spiritual path, whether using the Ra Material or the teachings of the Buddha, will at some point arrive at the necessity for death, whether in a life-shattering, life-changing way, or through the gradual process of many small deaths. Usually, however, we are not quite “willing” to let go of everything that death entails, thus the suffering involved. Dropping cherished identity roles – even if they are full of misery – is no easy thing to do.
What you describe is also the action of living life by faith, voyaging out into the unknown and being comfortable with not knowing, floating or flying, as it were, in mid-air with no ground beneath, nothing solid upon which to stand. Many if not all of us here on these forums are in that situation, I believe, of living or attempting to live by faith alone.
actually what i mean was more determination than faith. intention, determination, will.
Quote:Unity100, I see compassion in that heart of yours.
I can see how my statement might sound cold. I agree with you that we should indeed maintain concern for everyone, for we are them and they are us, and we are one. Like Ra uses the analogy of a pain being felt in ones own body when the suffering of planet Earth is perceived.
I didn’t mean to say that we should not care, or should not attempt to serve others to our utmost, only that in the end we can only be responsible for ourselves and must accept where others are at, for if it arises in this moment, it is sacred and perfect.
your statement is not cold. actually you cant just take care of everything, neither everything would want to be taken care of directly everything else. but, even if practicalities and wisdom doesnt allow for it, one can always remember the core concept above, the fact that everything being on the same bus. that should allow for being aware of possibilities of aiding the others when and if an opportunity and accompanying request happen.
Quote:Thank you for clarifying. Have you met in person many a Law of One student?
In my limited experience, students of the Law of One tend to be very solid, well-rounded individuals who are wise enough not to dabble to the extent that they get themselves into trouble. As a general rule of thumb, that is. Always exceptions, there are.
cant say students. they were probably having it as a hobby. actually most of the people i saw who were interested in new age literature were like that, leave aside Ra material. a smaller majority were involved in it as an escape.
Quote:By the way, there’s something that I read of yours earlier which mentioned that since certain information is in the Ra Material, then it must be knowable and worthwhile and we should consider it.
I would contend that, while the heart of the message is always present in what Ra has to say, and that even in the most technical excerpt there is something to be gleaned, there is information that is frankly not very useful to the mystical quest for unity. Its presence does not connote its significance, it only denotes the fact that Don Elkins wanted to ask about it.
it can easily be said that don elkins wanted to ask about any particular thing, because that was something which was wanted to be asked about, for the mystical quest to unity.
'transient' information is already dubbed as transient in answers, by the way.