(06-26-2010, 01:20 PM)Peregrinus Wrote: Each density above this one is 75 million years. That is time for learning, granted etoliated, but learning nonetheless. The time here in this third density is 75,000 years, and is but a blink of an eye, and even shorter if one is a wanderer and here for a shorter period of time. How much do you really think you read and understand from a book each time you blink your eyes?
you are confusing vibrational frequency increase, which is the particular type of learning you talk about, with the understanding and powers of the mind.
it is not a 'learning' process by the way, its an evolution process. and as Ra says, it is a long process to refine the rough, blunt dough.
Quote:I am not ignoring or belittling anything. I have been given the knowledge which you seek, and in that knowledge know what is and is not important in this density. What one comes to understand when they are given greater knowledge is that they cannot possibly understand. Understanding is the purpose of fourth density.
first of all, assuming being given the knowledge i seek, is over the top and unsound. you do not know what knowledge im seeking, i havent expressed it myself either. assuming that you have passed from the road i have passed, without providing any logical reasons shows the need for more 'mind' in your spiritual mix; you do not know about me, you just 'feel' that you think you know you have been 'given the knowledge i seek'. and, it is erroneous. and, that is despite i have mentioned in another discussion that, i havent been able to find the kind of interaction and work i have been looking for, and instead just have been compelled to participate in some discussions in order to caution wisdom too.
by the way, love, accepting and forgiving are the features of 4th density, and starting 'astralification'. not understanding. that is, of course, if you take understanding in the manner that 'understanding feelings and loving and others'.
Quote:Again, I do not ignore or belittle anything. I accept these earthbound limitations for what they are. For you to suggest what my personal level of spiritual existence is... you cannot know, or even begin to suggest; to think otherwise is complete naivety.
well, you were the one suggested that 'you have been given the knowledge that i am seeking' even before i made any comment, without any justification, because you just feel so. yet, i did not do anything as such, and still am not doing anything as such ; im moving from the arguments you are putting forth. what you are saying.
'oh but we cant understand these' -> this thought is a limitation. 'mind cannot comprehend these' -> this thought is also a limitation, moreover, its belittlement. all thoughts and ideas have time/space, astral counterparts. that is why will, intent are very important facets of existence, and fundamental of every kind of work, and this subject and its effects come up every now and then in Ra books during their studies and efforts.
that is no different for any other kind of thought. if you hold a thought that states you are limited, you limit yourself. if you hold a though that lessens the importance of anything, you belittle it. if you accept any limitation, you justify and strengthen that limitation. its no different than a small spiritual contract.
Quote:Perhaps I am, but I do not weigh seeking as a priority. I did, like you, but came to know what I needed to know, which is what I convey to you.
again, you are thinking that you know what level another entity functions, what is his/her seeking, what s/he has been given or have given, by your feelings. and, you are mistaken. this is a very good reason to note the importance of the mind and its uses.
Quote:The mind/body/spirit is a complex? I'm sorry brother, but you are mistaken. The mind/body/spirit is a mind/body/spirit. The "complex" is the veil, that which you say is of minor consequence. The complex provides the illusion of separateness so that free will can be used without an understanding of the unity of all of creation.
im not mistaken, for this is not something im saying. this is what Ra says, in regard to entities gaining free will. it was declared that mind/body/spirits were now a complex, and thus, mind/body/spirits come into being as entities with their own will. before that, they were mind/body/spirits. that's what they said.
being complex is not something that is related to veil, or separation or any other thing.
Quote:I'm not sure why, but you seem to think that knowledge is the path to greater things, when that is not truth. There are many here on earth at this time that have limited intellectual being, and yet still learn their lessons and have a higher vibration than many possessing great intelligence. The ability of the ape mind intelligence is only the measure of a fraction of an inch on a yard stick, and nothing more.
first, you are still confusing the 'intellectual' facet of this societal mind, its biases and conditionings with what we call mind. you also confuse knowledge with mind. knowledge, which is an experience of significator.
second, your own argument contradicts itself. if, mind was something that was needed to be pushed aside, those gorillas would be as well able to manifest high density 'wisdom' and vibrations as any developed entity. yet, even to engage in 3density work, a more advanced body with more advanced channel for mind (brain and neural system) is needed.
again, before you mistake it - this is not something i am saying. this passes repeated times in Ra, while talking about the transfer of maldek souls to earth, and it is the very reason they chose to incarnate in bodies that had lesser capabilities in that regard to pay for their karma. had, mind not been an important facet of existence, there would be no difference in incarnating these higher ape bodies and the early 3d bodies.
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let me put it in a blunt way ;
how do you know killing someone is wrong. (or is it right sometimes ?) how do you know that you exist ? how do you know what love is ? how do you know that you are an entity ? how do you know that you have a chakra ? what is a chakra anyway ? what is energy ? how do you know that there exists something called the Law of One ? how is everything one anyway ? can you manifest it ? what does love mean ? why are you accepting something else with all its faults, if everything is already one ? why is there such a need to do if everything is one ? isnt everything accepted by everything already ? what is 4d anyway ? how do you know understanding is the work of 4d ? (albeit with error) what is understanding anyway ?