06-23-2010, 08:15 PM
Thank you for your replies unity, although they are not quoted and replied, they have been digested :¬)
A lot to catch up with on this thread!
Regarding the Wanderer/karma/violence discussion. A Q'uote...
The key here is the definition, and context, of justice. It appears to be fifth density (wisdom) learn/teaching related to...
Perhaps the fate of the Wanderer engaging in combat is determined on their 'awakeness'. For example, a Wanderer who is yet to remember himself, may join in combat with the intent to kill. This will incur lots of karmic baggage that will need to be adressed, i.e. further incarnations. This Wanderer is still caught in the 3D cycle, and is yet to awaken, and hence, abides by 3D laws.
On the other hand, a Wanderer who is aware of his nature/purpose may engage in combat with the knowing of karmic resolution, purely because they choose to, and because of free will and the limits of consciousness due to the density, considers it the best option.
We can assume the vast majority of Wanderers are not perfectly balanced beings, and hence are prone to learn many lessons, which can even include 'killing in the name of love'.
I'm not sure that a Wanderer could kill someone and then think 'I forgive myself' very easily. In fact, I think it would incur a considerable amount of emotional drama, and hence karma, because Wanderers, being higher density beings, would never choose to take the life of another.
Whatever spin is put on that, it's an action made out of fear. Actions made from love implicitly trust that whatever happens, happens for a reason, understanding the bigger picture. Hence Jeshua Ben Joseph (I really love that name, so had to drop it in) did not use force against his oppressors, knowing full well what they were doing to the people he walked with, and loved unconditionally. This is also why The Confederation will not suddenly manifest and kill the STS powers that run this world, it's an infringement of free will.
To sum it up, I think that 3D Wanderers - from whatever higher density - are responsible for their actions in 3D, as the higher self (6D) already knows that there is no good or bad, right or wrong, and it's all for experience. If Wanderers did operate from higher densities (while in 3D), they would be immune to karma (since they would have the wisdom and hence instant forgiveness of own actions), and that's clearly not the case.
A thought provoking topic :¬)
A lot to catch up with on this thread!
Regarding the Wanderer/karma/violence discussion. A Q'uote...
Quo Wrote:Q'uo: You are capable of embodying that which you can pull through from above by your desire. If your desires are for lust, then you shall leave your kundalini in red ray.
If your desires focus upon personal relationships, then you shall raise your kundalini to the orange ray.
If your true desire is for marriage and a good work situation, then you shall raise your kundalini to the yellow-ray level.
If your deepest desire is to open your heart, then you shall raise the kundalini to the green-ray level.
If your deepest desire is to learn how to love with wisdom and to know what it is to have compassion while invoking justice, then you move into those energies of acceptance and of justice that are invoked in blue ray.
And when you finally desire above all things to be devoted ultimately and completely to the one infinite Creator and live in the precincts of faith, then by your desire you have pulled up the energy into indigo.
The key here is the definition, and context, of justice. It appears to be fifth density (wisdom) learn/teaching related to...
Ra Wrote:...balancing the intense compassion we had gained in 4th density
Perhaps the fate of the Wanderer engaging in combat is determined on their 'awakeness'. For example, a Wanderer who is yet to remember himself, may join in combat with the intent to kill. This will incur lots of karmic baggage that will need to be adressed, i.e. further incarnations. This Wanderer is still caught in the 3D cycle, and is yet to awaken, and hence, abides by 3D laws.
On the other hand, a Wanderer who is aware of his nature/purpose may engage in combat with the knowing of karmic resolution, purely because they choose to, and because of free will and the limits of consciousness due to the density, considers it the best option.
We can assume the vast majority of Wanderers are not perfectly balanced beings, and hence are prone to learn many lessons, which can even include 'killing in the name of love'.
I'm not sure that a Wanderer could kill someone and then think 'I forgive myself' very easily. In fact, I think it would incur a considerable amount of emotional drama, and hence karma, because Wanderers, being higher density beings, would never choose to take the life of another.
Whatever spin is put on that, it's an action made out of fear. Actions made from love implicitly trust that whatever happens, happens for a reason, understanding the bigger picture. Hence Jeshua Ben Joseph (I really love that name, so had to drop it in) did not use force against his oppressors, knowing full well what they were doing to the people he walked with, and loved unconditionally. This is also why The Confederation will not suddenly manifest and kill the STS powers that run this world, it's an infringement of free will.
To sum it up, I think that 3D Wanderers - from whatever higher density - are responsible for their actions in 3D, as the higher self (6D) already knows that there is no good or bad, right or wrong, and it's all for experience. If Wanderers did operate from higher densities (while in 3D), they would be immune to karma (since they would have the wisdom and hence instant forgiveness of own actions), and that's clearly not the case.
A thought provoking topic :¬)